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Different Gospels?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by UZThD, Jun 2, 2005.

  1. pilgrim2009

    pilgrim2009 New Member

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    Havensdad took the words right out of my mouth.I am speechless for Havensdad proving you wrong about Les Feldick teaching repentance to the Gentile because he does not and he preaches a different gospel than what the Bible teaches thats under the curse of God.{Gal 1:8-9}

    In Jesus.

    Steven.
     
  2. Alive in Christ

    Alive in Christ New Member

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    Steven,,,

    Let me try and explain it again for you. I'll try and make it as easy to understand as I can.

    Les Feldick teaches the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    When someone who has never placed their faith in Christ changes their mind, and places their faith in Christ...that person has repented.

    It is impossible to believe the gospel and place your faith in Christ without repenting. When you place your faith in Christ, you have repented. To go from NOT believing the gospel...to BELIEVING the gospel...is every bit as much "repenting" as ceasing to commit adultery is.

    What some people mistakenly teach regarding repentance is the heresy of a works based gospel. That being that one must *repent* of all of their sinful behaviours and attitudes as they embrace Christ...or they are not saved.

    Thats a false gospel. That is a works gospel.

    The scriptures teach...

    It is after salvation that we begin the process of turning from sinfulness and replacing that with Godly behaviors and attitudes. After salvation the Holy Spirit is present in the life of the believer, enabeling the believer with the power to change. Les Feldick has the gospel correctly identified...Faith alone in Christ alone, and sanctification (turning from sin) in ITS proper place...after justification through faith alone

    I pray post this is beneficial for you and others.
     
  3. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

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    Wrong. "Repentance" in the Biblical sense is not just a change TO something, but a change FROM something. "Metanoia" means literally to "turn your mind" regarding direction.

    Look at Acts chapter 14:15 for instance. Paul shows specifically that you MUST turn from sin, AS you turn to Christ. You CANNOT turn to Christ, with out simultaneously turning from sin...

    "We also are men, of like nature with you, and we bring you good news(this word is "euangellion", i.e. the "Gospel"), that you should turn from these vain things to a living God"

    This is the SAME thing that Jesus commanded people to do! And He warned those that didn't, they were in danger of "losing their soul"


    Mat 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
    Mat 16:25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
    Mat 16:26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in


    Repentance is turning from sin. This is NOT works. The word "ergon" (works) requires action. It is DOING something, like being circumcised. TURNING from sin, is the OPPOSITE of works: it is "not doing anything".

    So, you were practicing adultery. When you turn from that, you STOP practicing adultery. You are now not doing anything.

    So, repenting is a continual turning from sin, TO God. God is in one direction, sin is in the other, and you CAN'T come to God, without simultaneously turning from sin.
     
  4. Alive in Christ

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    Havensdad...

    I agree. We repent by turning from not embracing Christ through faith alone, and trusting whatever else we were trusting in...and we turn to placing our faith in Christ alone for the gift of eternal life.

    Faith and faith alone. Not...of...works

    When the question was asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?", the response was "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"

    Believing, and believing ALONE. No works.

    You again...

    The sin one must turn from to be saved is the sin of NOT embracing Christ through faith alone. You must forsake all "promises to be good", all "I'll never do that again" promises, all "I'll be really really good from now on" promises, etc etc etc.

    Its faith and faith alone.

    To tell someone they must "repent of all their sins" in order to be accepted by Christ is to teach a heretical gospel. A false gospel that is condemned in the scriptures. Its a gospel of "works". Its a gospel based on lawkeeping, and "earning it", rather then recieving justification by grace through faith.
    Its the false gospel that Rome and scores and scores of other cults proclaim.

    Here is what God says about it...




    As christians we are to have no part in any gospel of WORKS.

    You again...

    I agree with all of that. That all comes AFTER one is born of the Spirit. That is when sanctification takes place. It will be going on our entire lives.
     
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  5. pilgrim2009

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    Mercy mercy in Jesus name.You know grace goes further than the OT Law.The OT 10 Commandments one says thou shalt not commit adultery and Jesus says if you think it your guilty.The OT says thou shalt not kill and Jesus says not to be even angry at someone etc.


    Some weaken the Law by grace but Jesus makes the Law stronger through grace.


    Matt 5:17 Jesus said he did not come to destroy the Law.

    Matt 5:18 Jesus said until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle shall in no wise {i.e.under no circumstance}pass from the Law,till all be fulfilled.

    Has all been fulfilled?

    Jesus refers to those that teach the commandments {i.e.law of God} that they will be great in the Kingdom of God and those that teach different least in the Kingdom of God {Matt 5:19}

    How can grace do away with the Law of God when Jesus says the Law wont fail until heaven and earth pass away?

    God bless in Jesus.

    Steven.
     
  6. IveyLeaguer

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    I, for one, am glad it was resurrected. It's a good thread, a good discussion. Several traditional views are actually discussed intelligently.

    That's the beauty of this format - it is not time sensitive. Who wants to put a lot of thought and work into a post just to have it disappear in 3 days? Most people don't live on here and are too busy to check in the BB every week.

    Not only that, some of the best discussions - the most insightful and educating - took place before you joined. IMHO, it hasn't gotten better since then, but the other way around, especially the last several years. I found the BB doing research on Watchman Nee, and the search engine turned up an old thread, buried deep in the archives, which was very helpful, one of those long threads some complain about. Sometime after I decided to join. There were some great discussions in those days.

    Far from being a liability, the archived threads are a great asset. I suspect Dr. Bob knows this, which is why he has maintained them.

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  7. IveyLeaguer

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    Very nice presentation in this thread, OR.

    Well done.

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  8. OldRegular

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    Many thanks!
     
  9. OldRegular

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    There is apparently confusion by some as to by faith and through faith. Actually they are identical in meaning since by and through are synonyms. If one would check the faith chapter, Hebrews 11, using Strong's they would see that the same Greek word is translated by faith and through faith.

    For some unknown reason folks in the Old Testament and Jews in the New Testament were supposedly justified by faith while Gentiles in the New Testament are justified through faith. You ponder this and see if you can understand.
     
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