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I have started to reply to this point three or four times but could not find the right words.

I think that Iconoclast, with this sentence expresses what I would like to say:

I could be wrong, but I think that Our Lord does not necessarily change our personality once we come to Him.

 

Again Nodak.....Another thing that happens with some believers in general and can be common to any real Christian... They keep studying with a view to obey God. they listen to many sermons, and begin to read more solid writings dealing with sanctification.

We are saved by grace 100% of God....we are also kept and sanctified by the power of God 100%. That being said....once justified sanctification is an active process that we fully engage in.

People who are saved grow and mature at different rates.

A person sees the verses that speak of this;
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God;


in taking this command seriously Christians try and obey it in different ways.

Some mistakenly add to the command like OT Israel did and become legalistic in the flesh.

Others read the puritans who were clearly the best on this topic, however they walked a fine line between proper gospel obedience and also moving into a form of legalism.

This is a main issue for serious minded bible students. Relaxing enough and prayerfully relying on the Spirit of God working in and through the word of God in us teaching and guiding us, and yet giving full effort to be diligent to OBEY the commands and lawful commandments that we are given in the word.

We obey and work diligently, because the Spirit works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

The confusion on this point is where some do not understand the implications of Lordship in the life of a believer.

Nodak...here is an example...download Richard Baxters Christian Directory.

I bought this book....I was convicted just by reading the table of contents:thumbs:

he lists several considerations of how a Christian is to conduct himself living under the kingdom rule of the Lord Jesus Christ. he goes into meticulous detail.
Some might consider what he says as extreme and perhaps leaning to the legalistic side and maybe in some things he is.

I chose to look at each idea and weigh it out scripturally...in other words...could I find scriptural support for it? I challenge myself because I would tend to slack off and go easy on myself ,and look for loopholes

When a person attempts to be serious and soberminded...they can forget to also cultivate the love and joy that is also to accompany the obedience

Nodak...this in my view is the key verse that must balance out Hebrews12

romans 14...speaking of our kingdom responsibilities;
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/baxter/practical.toc.html

 

here is the index; click on a section and check it out.
Part I - Christian Ethics


Chapter I: Directions to Unconverted, Graceless Sinners, For the Attainment of Saving Grace

Chapter II: Directions to Weak Christians for Their Establishment and Growth

Chapter III: The General Grand Directions for Walking with God, in a Life of Faith and Holiness: containing the Essentials of Godliness and Christianity

Chapter IV: Subordinate Directions Against the Great Sins Most Directly Contrary to Godliness

Chapter V: Further Subordinate Directions for the Next Great Duties of Religion; Necessary to the Right Peformance of the Grand Duties

Chapter VI: Directions for the Government of the Thoughts

Chapter VII: Directions for the Government of the Passions

Chapter VIII: Directions for the Government of the Senses

Chapter IX: Directions for the Government of the Tongue

Chapter X: Directions for the Government of the Body

Part II: Christian Economics


Chapter I: Directions about marriage; for choice and contract

Chapter II: Directions for the choice of 1. Servants, 2. Masters

Chapter III: Disputation, Whether the Solemn Worhsip of God in and by Families as such, Be of Divine Appointment

Chapter IV: General Directions for the Holy Government of Families

Chapter V: Special Motives to Persuade Men to the Holy Government of their Families

Chapter VI: Motives for a Holy and Careful Education of Children

Chapter VII: The Mutual Duties of Husbands and Wives Towards Each Other

Chapter VIII: Special Duties of Husbands to their Wives

Chapter IX: The Special Duties of Wives to Their Husbands

Chapter X: The Duties of Parents for Their Children

Chapter XI: The Duties of Children Towards Their Parents

Chapter XII: The Special Duties of Children and Youth Towards God

Chapter XIII: The Duties of Servants to Their Masters

Chapter XIV: The Duty of Masters Towards Their Servants

Chapter XV: The Duties of Children and Fellow-servants to One Another

Chapter XVI: Directions for Holy Conference of Fellow-servants and Others

Chapter XVII: Directions for every member of the Family

Chapter XVIII: Directions for the Holy Spending of the Lord's Day in Families

Chapter XIX: Directions for Profitable Hearing God's Word Preached

Chapter XX: Directions for Profitble Reading the Holy Scriptures

Chapter XXI: Directions for Reading Other Books

Chapter XXII: Directions for Right Teaching Children and Servants

Chapter XXIII: Directions for Prayers in General

Chapter XXIV: Directions for Families About the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper

Chapter XXV: Directions for Fearful, Troubled Christians

Chapter XXVI: Directions for Declining, Backsliding Christians

Chapter XXVII: Directions for the Poor

Chapter XXVIII: Directions for the Rich

Chapter XXIX: Directions for the Aged and Weak

Chapter XXX: Directions for the Sick

Chapter XXXI: Directions to the Friends of the Sick

Part III: Christian Ecclesiastics


Chapter I: Of the Worship of God in General

Chapter II: Directions About the Manner of Worship

Chapter III: Directions About the Christian Covenant with God

Chapter IV: Directions About the Profession of our Religion

Chapter V: Directions About Vows and particular Covenants with God

Chapter VI: Directions to the People concerning Their Internal and Private Duty to Their Pastors

Chapter VII: Directions for the Discovery of Truth Among Contenders

Chapter VIII: Directions for the Union of Communion of Saints

Chapter IX: Twenty Directions how to Worship God

Chapter X: Directions about our Communion with Holy Souls Departed

Chapter XI: Directions about our Communion with the Holy Angels

Ecclesiastical Cases of Conscience

Part III: Christian Politics


Chapter I: General Directions for an Upright Life

Chapter II: General Directions for an Upright Life

Directions to subjects concerning their duty to rulers

Chapter IV: Directions to Lawyers about their Duty to God

Chapter V: The Duty of Physicians

Chapter VI: Directions to Schoolmasters

Chapter VII: Directions for Soldiers

VIII: Directions Against Murder

Chapter IX: Directions for the Forgiving of Injuries and Enemies

Chapter X: Cases Resolved about Forgiving Wrongs, Debts, and About Self Defence

Chapter XI: Special Directions to Escape the Guilt of Persecution

Chapter XII: Directions Against Scandal Given

Chapter XIII: Directions against Scandal Taken

Chapter XIV: Directions Against Soul-Murder

Chapter XV: General Directions for Furthering Salvation

Chapter XVI: Special Directions for Holy Conference, Exhortation, and Reproof

Chapter XVII: Directions for Keeping Peace with All Men

Chapter XVIII: Direcections Against all Theft, Fraud, or Injuries

Chapter XIX: General Directions and Particular cases of Conscience

Chaper XX: Motives and Directions against Opression

Chapter XXI: Cases and Directions about Prodigality and Sinful Waste

Chapter XXII: Cases and Directions against Injurious Lawsuits, Witnessing, and Judgment

Chapter XXIII: Cases of Conscience and Directions against Backbiting, Slandering, and Evil Speaking

Chapter XXIV: Cases of and Directions Against Censoriousness, and Sinful Judging

Chapter XXV: Cases and Directions About Trusts and Secrets

Chapter XXVI: Directions Against Selfishness

Chapter XXVII: Cases and Directions for Loving Our Neighbors as Our Selves

Chapter XXVIII: Cases of, and Directions for, the Love of Godly Persons

Chapter XXIX: Cases and Directions for Loving Enemies and Doing Them Good

Chapter XXX: Cases and Directions about Works of Charity

Chapter XXXI: Cases and Directions about Confesing Sins and Injuries to Others

Chapter XXXII: Cases and Directions about Satisfaction and Restitution

Chapter XXXIII: Cases and Directions about Our Obtaining Pardon from God

Chapter XXXIV: Cases and Directions About Self-Judging

 

The bottom line in this is as Pauline theology accords, that under the new Covenant, we are people of the Holy Spirit, and HE alone can give us the means to live as we ought!

 

Working through this kind of material and looking up each verse offered is quite a study in and of itself....implementing these duties is a matter of much prayer and trial and error.

 

How much does he discuss the Person and work of the Holy Spirit in us enabling us to do those disciplines though?

 

What means are you talking about? I do not think a one sentence response gives any indication of the teaching

I gave a link in the other post...there are 70 different topics with teaching included. You need to click on it...scroll down and read through a couple of sections ,looking up the verses and meditating upon it.

To give one word answers ...a person remains shallow and never develops proper study habits...they will then repeat the same error they started with.

The Holy Spirit....does not do it for us. You cannot just dismiss this whole topic with a one liner. You can offer a one line summary, if you want to demonstrate the point to Nodak of how some have a different outlook then others

 

Again....the link provides 998 pages of study material to work through...that is what will answer your question....not a second hand book report from me.

I think you have error in this area of sanctification and the Christian ,and the relationship of NT believers to God's law. I would urge you to read on it.

 

Yes Jon C......except the puritans take this verse as a starting point , then put it under a biblical microscope and attempt to tie in any and every verse that relates to it.
Even if someone says they were long winded [and there are times they are] I have found it worthwhile to sift through the verses offered with the explanation and to me....Gal 2;20 is a foundational verse ...but expanding it is building the house upon it.