Dignified Debate. O'Reilly vs Geraldo

Gee, making me pick between O'Nutjob & Mr. Al Capone secret vault.

I never watch O'Rielly, but I do watch FAUX NEWS in the A.M., before work, just because I'm a huge Steve Doucy fan. But I got back late from work last nite, & when I turned on the tube, I saw this exchange, 'cuz the channel was still on 52, doncha know.

I couldn't believe it. O'Rielly is a huge guy, and I've seen video of Geraldo taking a few really good punches, right to the face, and standing up, so I thought the two of them were going to go at it, and that it would be a great fight.

But I think Geraldo is right, in that this drunk driving victim would be just as dead if Joe American Six-Pack had done it.

Now I gotta go take a shower.

 

Those are two excellent points, he should have been deported, I agree with that. O'Rielly, despite his many psycosis, is usually on the correct side of an issue, but to me, the death shouldn't be used for a soapbox.

 

What is an imprtant factor is that a person is dead because of intentional ignorance to someone who is in the country illegally. This person should be alive to day and would be if our immigration policies were actually enforced. The people who failed to enforce the laws should be held responsible.

 

It would be a good fight. My money would go on Geraldo.

I think Geraldo was correct in saying that the main issue is drunk driving in this case. I also agree with him concerning the U.S. luring these workers here and exploiting them for decades. Now, it is politically correct to make these workers the scapegoat; thus O'Rielly was using this tragic death politically.

 

The US has not engaged in luring them here. But if individulas in the US has done so then that gives the illegal immigrants a pass? Wow what a pandoras box that logic would open.

 

The police lured me to speed on I-10 because I've done so for so many years and never been penalized.

If I ever get pulled over, I'll be sure to tell them that. And then I can make my getaway as he falls to ground laughing.

This incident is both about illegal immigration and DUI offenders.

Had the man been sentenced to prison on any of his 3 previous offenses, the girl would still be alive today. Had the man been deported on his first offense, when it was found out that he was here illegally, the girl would still be alive today.

This all comes about from not enforcing laws, and I mean all laws (local, state, and federal).

I watched this bit last night, and I was getting worried. They were both pounding fists and screaming, and getting a little further towards the end of their chairs. It looked as if one slight move would have made either one bolt out of his chair and jump the table.

I do wonder if this might have been, at least, partially staged.

Geraldo kept asking if this would be an issue if the guy had been white, or Jewish, or Polish. The thing is, if he was a white, Polish Jew who was here illegally, it would be no different. If he was a white, Polish, Jew who had 3 priors for the same offense, and had the same sentences that Ramos had been given, it would be no different.

It's bad enough that no one did anything about this guy being here illegally in the first place, but to allow him to continue living free, even after 3 DUI convictions, is nonsensical.

If legally deporting all illegals will save even one American's life, from whatever circumstances, then I'm all for it and can't imagine how any American could be against it.

I don't care if Wal-mart lured them here or not, I sure as heck didn't, yet I, and you all, are the ones paying for it.

We should go after the companies just as hard as we should go after the illegals.

 

Nothing like a good, well reasoned debate, where there is no "shouting match"!

Anyone know where I can find one??

Ed

 

I don't know of any white, Polish Jews that are here illegaly in this country and certainly not in the massive amounts as the illegals from Mexico and other South American countries. The point is that our Government has unfairly allowed favoritism to this segment of people because of the political influence of the Mexican Government and other Hispanic organizations such as LULAC.

 

Right you are, and NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA.

 

There aren't many good debates any more, just shout TV!

 

I'm not for illegal immigrants whether Filipino, Japanese, Russian, or Spanish, or whatever nationality.
But I think saying that the girl would have been alive today if the illegal alien had been deported or put in jail would be like the Arabian or Muslim (?) concept of kismet.
Those who had been to the Middle East tell of a Middle Eastern mindset about how if you hadn't come to the Middle East and been driving down the same road then you and he wouldn't have collided and your cars would still be looking good.
My brother and his wife were strolling in one of the malls there one day when a couple of other foreign workers sidled up to them and squeezed his wife's behind.
He beat them both up.
At the police station they, he, his wife, and the two foreigners, were told that if they hadn't come to Saudi Arabia then none of them would have met at the mall, no fight would have happened, and the two foreigners wouldn't be going to jail for lewd conduct towards a woman, and my brother wouldn't be spending his whole month's salary paying a certain amount per bruise on the faces of the two foreigners.

But, then again, hey, you all may be right about the kismet.

Ain't tryin' to get anybody's hackles up, just lightenin' up a li'l bit, folks.

 

I think this would be a different situation if the guy was here as a tourist.

But he wasn't. He came here illegally and then, aside from breaking that law, proceeded to break more laws, never fearing deportation.

The fact is, if he had been deported, deservingly so, unlike the kismet situation, those girls would be alive today.

The issue is not about foreigners visiting our country. The issue is about foreigners trespassing on our soil, in clear violation of the law, and then this one in particular making the conscious decision to break even more laws, putting American's lives in danger, and the failure of local authorities in Virgina to do anything to insure this man would not do something such as this. The system failed these young ladies and their deaths lie squarely with Ramos the Illegal and the gross negligence of politicians who made laws allowing him to stay in this country free of harrassment for being here illegally.

 

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:laugh: Wow: did you just call them FAUX NEWS?

Bill may be a huge guy, but he is all talk. He also has lost any and all credibility thanks to the whole fiasco with that producer - the one he vowed to sue but backed down once he found out that she had evidence.

This is true.

Make it quick.

Regards,
BiR