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Discourse Split by Warning Passage

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Dec 7, 2022.

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    GES views the first warning passage in Hebrews as splitting the discourse on Christ’s superiority to the angels, seeing the passage following the warning as continuing the passage before it. But in the English Bibles, the former begins with the conjunction “for”, which is a word introducing the reason for the previous thought. Can anyone explain this?
     
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    There is a warning passages between Hebrews 1:5 and the end of 2.
     
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    Yes
     
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    According to GES, the warning passage starting at Hebrews 2:1 interrupts the passage beginning at Hebrews 1:5, so that the passage starting at Hebrews 2:5 is a continuation of the passage that the warning interrupted. However, the conjunction "for" is not used for that purpose in English.
     
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    Well, Hebrews 2:2 before 2:5 uses that conjunction also.
     
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    Sorry. I'm not communicating clearly enough.

    The word "for", when used as a conjunction, introduces the reason for the thought before it. The word occurs a multitude of times in the Bible, but according to GES, when it occurs in Hebrews 2:5, it is said to connect back to end of Hebrews 1. This is not a proper use of the conjunction, and I wonder if there's a word in the Greek that allows this interpretation.
     
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    I will leave the Greek to people more competent at Greek than I am. All I will say is that I don’t really see a “For” starting the sentence in Hebrews 2:5 when I look at the Interlinear and how that was structured. That said, I am wired by our creator with some talent for spotting patterns and wanted to offer what help I could.


    Starting at Hebrews 1:4, we see the first mention of “angels” and a transition to a discussion whose basic “theme” is LETS COMPARE JESUS TO THE ANGELS. (Hint: Jesus is much better.)

    This “Jesus rules but angels drool” comparison runs from Hebrews 1:5-14, where it concludes with the observation that angels are just the ‘gofers’ for God’s plan to save people.

    Beginning in Hebrews 2:1, the SUBJECT abruptly shifts gears. No longer is the author talking about a comparison between Jesus and Angels. Things suddenly got VERY PERSONAL as Hebrews 2:1-4 talk about US. Specifically, we are being warned about the consequences of ignoring what God and the Angels and the Holy Spirit have all TOLD US. We are the subject, not Jesus or angels.

    At Hebrews 2:5, the subject abruptly shifts back to angels and Jesus. Where Hebrews 1:5-14 focused on Angels vs Jesus as God, Hebrews 2:5-8 (ish) focuses on Angels vs Jesus as a Man (the second Adam).

    Given the Jesus-Angel to Man-warning to Jesus-Angel structure of the basic SUBJECT being focused on, I can see how the link between (or jump from - to) Hebrews 1:14 and Hebrews 2:5 might be “implied” by the structure even if it was not explicit in the grammar.

    So that’s my 2 cents.
     
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    The book of Hebrews should be understood in the context within which it was written.

    Early Christians, prior to about 60 AD or so were considered a sect within Judaism. Judaism was an officially recognized religion within the Roman Empire and was protected as such.

    When Christianity began to be seen as a separate religion from Judaism, Christians no longer had the protections of an officially recognized religion within the Roman Empire and they began to suffer periods of persecution some of which were widespread and killed many.

    Many Jewish Christians began to identify as Jewish once again, forsaking the name of Christ, to worship as Jews in order to avoid persecution.

    The book of Hebrews main theme is that the worship of Jesus is “better” than Judaism… better revelation (God’s Son), better than angels, better priesthood, better sacrifice .. etc. with several warnings to not turn back to the old way of worship which denies Christ.

    Hope that helps

    peace to you
     
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