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Discretion in sentencing sex offenders

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Joseph_Botwinick, Jul 13, 2005.

  1. OCC

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    If you are unhappy with liberals Joseph, work to change them. It is irrelevant to complain about them on an internet site. [​IMG]

    I wonder how you would feel if your eight year old son did something? Then you may want a little leniency eh?
     
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    1. I am unhappy with liberal policies that release sexual predators back on the streets to britalize and murder more children. I am starting to do something about it right now. I am applying political pressure by excercising my rights to free speech.

    2. If my son ever committed rape, he would be begging for prison. I love my son, and I would mourn him forever. But, I would not thwart justice.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I would feel so happy if just ONE thread stayed on topic. [​IMG]
     
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    I have this 'feeling' your son won't be facing that dilemma.
     
  5. TaterTot

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    (Man, how'd I miss all THIS til now?)

    If we did actually prosecute for any and all
    sexual offenses, I believe there would be waaay fewer of them.
     
  6. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I agree. One thing is for sure. There would certainly be a lot less repeat offenders. No more Duncans running around. No more Cooeys running around. I think you get the picture. :D

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Several weeks ago, I participatedin a thread about capital punishment. The opposing side suggested Life W/O Parole.
    Ny objection to life w/o is that very frequently it is pled down to a lesser charge and the monster is back on the streets. I pointed out the tradgedies of the girls in Florida. The opposing side said it was not common.

    THEN WE GET DUNCAN JUST A FEW WEEKS LATER!!!

    What is wrong with you people?

    Hang 'em high AND IN PUBLIC!!!

    Perhaps our children will be safe after a few hundred of these sickos are hung in town square!

    But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! We gotta try and get'em saved and reform 'em. Why just look at whatsername down in Texas. She got saved! And they killed her anyway.

    Listen. Do yourself (whoever you are who is soft on criminals but evil towards society and our little children) and the rest of us a favorwill you? Do some research on violent crime including sex crimes. Check the figures b4 and aft 1963.

    You may be shocked.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
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    Yeah, I agree. Why should they curb their evil if they know they won't be punished or punished very little??! :mad: It makes me sick.
     
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    If we take away the judge's discretion and make it a set sentence for all, we don't have to worry about them getting out. Don't get me wrong. I do think they ought to execute the sickos. But, if a bit of moderation will keep these rat infested maggots away from my children for life, I am willing to do that.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  10. TaterTot

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    I like what you say about trying to change the laws if it means that much. Thats the right idea. We sit around and gripe so much, and it does absolutely no good.
     
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    My problem is not with the changing of the laws, Joseph, it is with your ultra harsh punishment for cases like the kid and his girlfriend. Have you forgotten how the Lord has judged you? With grace and mercy and when you don't turn away from your sins, He uses other means to get you to repent. Never does he toss us in prison for years because of our sins against Him.

    I would fight with every fiber of my soul for my son, were he in the position of that kid.

    I've said all I'm going to on this subject, except, I'm very sad for you, and the rest of you with no mercy in your souls. Christ sure has dealt with me in great mercy, love and grace.
     
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    Amen, Amen, and Amen.
     
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    He said / she said: Most juries won't convict that right now with the current sentencing guidelines. Just ask Kobe. But, if the evidence could be shown that it was rape, i'd convict him in a heartbeat. If liberals are not willing to follow the law, then they should not be allowed on a jury. Further, I think juries and judges should be held legally accountable for decisions that are based on liberal emotions and not the law when the rat infested maggots go and kill / rape again.

    Joseph Botwinick
    </font>[/QUOTE]Joe,

    Kobe's case never went to trial. While I believe he was guilty his victim saw $$$ signs
     
  14. patrick

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    1. No
    2. No
    3. No
    4. Yes
    5. Are you trying to create a moral equivalency between cheating on a test and rape? You know better than that.


    There should be an age span/ limit. I'd think a years difference or mental capacity problem but not a girlfriend, boyfriend so close in age. This boys life is ruined. He's a registered sex offender now! </font>[/QUOTE]Yes. And he is the one who has ruined his own life. As I said, if you don't like the age limits for statutory rape in your state, then work to change the law. I don't like the discretion our judges have to release repeat offenders back on the streets to brutalize and murder our children. Therefore, I am going to work to change the law and take away that discretion.

    James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. [/QUOTE]

    So, you are making the moral equivalency argument. Tell me, do you also agree when that argument is used to compare the war in Iraq with the terrorists acts in London? Sorry. But, someone who cheats on a test in high school is not the same as someone who commits rape, and you know it.

    A man applied to work at the company where Jim works and his record showed basically the same thing. No job. [/QUOTE]

    You reap what you sow.

    Joseph Botwinick
    [/QUOTE]
    So Joe your sin isn't as bad as other? You need to look up the trms mercy and grace.
     
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    I feel somewhat like you Joe on sentencing. There should be truth in sentencing laws. You serve the full time.

    A 16 year old boy's life should not be wasted in jail for a stupid mistake. He made a wrong choice, we all do. It is called sin. we need to make the laws hard for predators but we must also have a little common sense also.
     
  16. OCC

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    I am all for punishment of a crime...but the lack of mercy and forgiveness is alarming. We say we are Christians.

    :rolleyes:

    I want to beat the &lt;snip&gt; out of a child molestor as much as the next man but I have to temper that with prayer for the man and the child he molested and let the law deal with him. Any other reaction, though human, is not Christian.

    [ July 18, 2005, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
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    1. I will and have prayed for them.

    2. They can have the mercy of a Bible and Christian minister to witness to them before they recieve their nice, sterile, needle that will humanely put them to sleep in peace. That is certainly more mercy than they showed their victims or than they deserve.

    3. I will let the law deal with them. I don't, however, agree with the law, so I will try to change it.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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