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Dishonorable Discharge

Discussion in 'Vets and Friends' started by Salty, Sep 22, 2021.

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  1. Salty

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    GI's who refuse the Chinesee shot may receive Dishonorably discharge
     
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    Won't someone say, "Oh, Mr. Salty, there is no government prejudice against the unvaxed. That is just a scare tactic used by the opposition."

    Please provide "undubious" proof of your statement.
     
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    That is not prejudice against the unvaccinated. With the Pfizer vaccine the US Army mandates 18 vaccines (more depending on duty station).

    Looks like they will be honorably discharged, but discharged nonetheless (the military has to maintain a capable force....diseases have always been a concern).

    Dishonorable discharges for vaccine refusal would be blocked under congressional proposal
     
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    with all the vaccine the military mandates none of the others will anyone receive a dishonorable discharge. I used to refuse the flu shot every year never got in trouble. Under Trump this wouldn’t be going on.
     
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    I watched/listened to James White's last podcast. He said about 400 Navy Seals will not submit to the vax. So I guess the remaining 2100 will submit to the injection. James said the 400 are all believers.
     
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    I suppose. 1 Peter 2:13, ". . . Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: . . ."
    Not the same as being an American civilian.
     
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    These latest so-called vaxes are in a special class. They are dangerous and experimental. There has been no long-term safety data. But the deaths and injuries from these "vaccines" are piling up. Project Veritas has received thousands of emails and phone calls from people in the know in hospitals who are willing to lose their jobs by simply telling the truth. The hospital protocols are wicked. Ivermectin is not even allowed to be mentioned along with other therapies.
     
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    Some vaccines, yes.

    But AR 600-20 (paragraph 5-4) states that when it is determined the "threat of naturally occurring disease is reasonably possible soldiers may be involuntarily immunized" and performing this duty, unit personnel will "only use the amount of force necessary to assist medical personnel in administering the immunization."

    This is from the regulation updated during the Trump Administration.
     

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    No. They can only administer the Pfizer vacvine which is not experimental and has been approved safe for 16+ by the FDA.

    I'm sure other vaccines will be approved in the future.
     
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    The Pfizer vaccine is actually not approved. That formula is approved under a different name that Pfizer has yet to manufacture under. Technically all the Pfizer vaccines actually available to use are experimental.
    Comirnaty is approved, but there is none available labeled as such.
     
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    Except the Pfizer-BioNTech IS Comirnaty. (They are the exact same thing....but yes....it is now called Comirnaty....Pfizer-BioNTech is the developer).

    That said, they are the same vaccine and was approved based on the formula (not the name).
     
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    Agreed it is same formula. I heard an attorney say that it is not technically approved unless labeled such and no civil recourse could be sought unless dosed from a vial with the approved name.
     
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    Not per the FDA (their website). They list the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, now marketed under the name Comirnaty, as being approved.
     
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    Frankly, I don't care whether the FDA approves or not. In their approval of Pfizer's poison, they openly admitted that all of the necessary testing still hadn't been completed, but that they trusted Pfizer would finish it in due time. Of course, there's no such thing as a study of long term effects without a long term. There still hasn't been that much time, yet. Hence, unless the FDA found a way to bend time, they must necessarily have violated their own rules.

    The FDA is no longer credible.
     
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    Whats the words I am looking, O yah here they are.
    If you do not want to take the shot then don't. If it is part of your job requirement and you still do not want to take it then change jobs.
    All those nut bars that are blocking hospitals and screaming at Drs & nurses need to have their heads examined. I am sure they would be jumping to the front of the line if they got covid.
    If they feel so strongly about it then perhaps they should all sign papers saying they refuse any treatment if they get covid, let them really show their convictions not just try for their fifteen minutes of fame.
    The hypocrisy is beyond belief.
     
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    That post is actually hypocrisy. I believe Covid is dangerous. I simply do not believe the vaccine is the only or even the best medical treatment to deal with it.
     
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    You don't have to. I have friends who believe the flu and measles vaccines are poison.

    People will always believe what they will believe. That has no bearing on the truth.

    The FDA did not bend rules (there is not a strict timeline) but the approval was sped up through Trump's "Operation Warp Speed" which allowed for consecutive actions that are normally impossible due to funding.
     
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    My post was not hypocrisy it was comment. I am tired of all the whining about the covid shots. Why don't these people be adults and just make a choice for themselves and let others make a choice for themselves. If you think something else will work then go for. Don't you find it a bit hypocritical for someone to complain that people are telling them what to do and then they turn around and tell others what to do. Really give your head a shake.
     
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    You have a valid question - Let me give you my perspective - (FYI I am fully vaccinated)

    1) for some - it is a religious issue - not sure the "story behind the story" but right now, in NY State nurses at the moment have a stay in being required to take the shot - judge will issue a decision within 2 weeks) (I realize that the OP is about the military - but the principal is the samm)
    2) many are concerned that this shot was approved in less than a year - when normally it takes 10 years.
    In addition what are the long term effects? The answer is: we DONT know!
    I understand their concern.
     
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    I understand their concerns but what I do not understand is the over the top reaction by some these people. Where are their brains, blocking hospitals giving those that are trying to save lives a hard time. I have a heart condition that could land me in hospital and quite frankly what they are doing is a great concern to me and my wife. Our hospitals are over loaded and they are considering doing triage to decide who gets care. I am old {71} so I would come at the end of the line so ya I am concerned with people not getting the shots but I am more concerned with what the dumb protests and misinformation are causing.

    If people were being forced to get the shots I would protest but that is not the case. And yes it would have been nice if we could have had 10 yrs to test, but not possible. There is no easy solution to this but I do know that what is happening now is not it.
    I hope that cooler heads will prevail.
     
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