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Featured Do Arminians Hold to God changing His mind, having different plans?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Yeshua1, Feb 28, 2014.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member

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    that the future has not be dully determined, that IF we reject Hs will, that he falls back to plan B so to speak, that He is some ways waits to see what we will do?
     
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    Wow.....would like to see how this one plays out.
     
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    For us to evenly remotely try to understand God's interaction with man is pointless. There is a tension in Scripture that neither determinism nor open theism do justice to in trying to explain it. God knows all, yet there are parts in Scripture where He reacts to man. I won't even begin to try to reconcile the two as it is impossible. I accept it by faith.
     
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    Do you think that God has already fixed the date Jesus returns, that whatever he said in the bible is already as good as being done, just waiting for much of it to still happen now?
     
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    I'm curious if there are any Arminians even on this board. It seems a lot of debate goes on about Arminians and I'm not sure there are any here to actually debate with.
     
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    There is no plan B. Do you understand it was God's A plan for Adam to sin? God designed freewill into His plan from the get go. This is why both freewill choice and election are equally correct. Do you think we can fully comprehend God's design?? Calvinism actually takes away from the full counsel of God's Word on this issue when both freewill choice and election are clearly seen, Calvinism decides to declare only the election passages at the expense of throwing under the bus the passages declaring freewill choice. John MacArthur, when pressed on the freewill choice passages, admits that he just can't explain them, yet decides to side with Calvin. Why ignore them? Why not just accept God has designed freewill choice hand in hand with election??
     
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    Is MacCarthur an Absoluter?
     
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    Idk, what's an "Absoluter" ?
     
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    the calvinist would agree that the Lord had determined the Fall, in the since that what ever happened with either directly determined by God, or sovereignly allowed to happen, and also that Jesus, Judas HAD to do, Paul and Jonah HAD to do their tasks, yet arminians seem to want to allow for real possibility that all of them could refuse to do those things!
     
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    and Calvinist want to disallow man's freewill choice which is ALSO clearly seen in the scriptures. The answer is BOTH election AND freewill choice is working together in God's plan.
     
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    Would the Calvinist agree that Adam had a freewill choice within the Lord's determined Fall?
     
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    Yes, but would arminians and non cals agree with us that since the fall, ONLY Jesus reained real free will?
     
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    FREE WILL does not exist.
     
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    Apparently question begging DOES exist :)
     
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    And alot! :laugh:
     
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    Stating a plain fact also exists.....and that..quite alot:laugh::laugh:
     
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    who is the us? there is no free will.
     
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    Anthony, it depends on how you define "free will". If by free will one means moral free agency, that is self-autonomous and acts completely independent of God, then the answer is an emphatic "No". But if it means that an individual is able to make volitional choices, then the answer is "Yes". Calvinists often run away from the term "free will", and I believe they do so unnecessarily.
     
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    ...and question begging is apparently repeated A LOT :)
     
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