Do Baptists believe in the Trinity?

Hi, Dust.

How do you interpret Hebrews 8:1? How about Isaiah 9:6?

Do you worship Jesus Christ?

 

JDF, initially I did respect you. However, I am reactionary. If you attack me I find myself fighting back. In our discussions I said things you don't agree with but you would reply with a comment not consistent with your training or background that was an attack. And I've noticed that once you have a view in mind you are not willing to even consider another even when support is provided. And I find my self responding in kind to you. I have never spoken over your head as I am unable to do that. But if I see an error I will point it out and so I have. There are times I speculate on this site and I learn things from people better trained than I and I look foreward to that. Also if there is something I am confident in I will show that confidence.

 

I love how you "re-define" Greek words when Scripture doesn't fit your heresy.

You know, I checked on it...God's not a fan of your techniques.

You might want to read Philippians 2 sometime...you will correct your heretical beliefs...I just pray it's sooner, rather than later.

If you do not believe Jesus to be God, I'm afraid you are not a Christian.

Mods, I know this falls under "questioning someone's salvation." But for someone to admit Jesus is not God...well, that pretty much settles it.

 

Technical detail here; Christadelphianism is neither Arian, nor modalistic (Sabellian). They would basically folow the third "heresy" (beside those other two) dealt with at Nicaea, by Paul of Samosata, called psilanthropism or dynamic monarchianism, or more commonly, pure "unitarianism".
So today, they are more in line with the Way International, the "Abrahamic Faith" (Oregon, IL), or the House of YHWH (TX).

If I have it correctly, Christ was adopted as Son when the eternal Word united with the human Jesus (And today's "Oneness" or true modalists end up teaching the same thing when pressed on how Jesus could speak to God, even though they "officially" believe in His deity). Even though Jesus was a regular man, I think they still hold the Virgin birth; at least the other groups with this doctrine do. The Spirit was the power of God, (not a "person") though probably more apart of the divine nature than the JW's separate "force", but then I'm not sure of the Christadelphians' exact teaching on that.

http://www.erictb.info/triune.html

 

Well, you certainly have a funny way of showing it.

You're right. When FIVE Catholic sources state what Catholicism teaches, I tend to believe them before I believe you.

No, no, no. Don't start with the "in kind" nonsense because I haven't treated you that way.

Personal attacks are not a good way to point out errors. It's really unfortunate that your parents never taught you any manners, but if you disagree, then say "I disagree because..." and then, if you're unable to persuade your opponent, you let it go.

You don't make personal attacks and attempt to bully your opponent the way you did me. No, of course, this is the part where you're pull out the tu quoque card, but since no examples will follow, I suppose we can just ignore it now and save time later.

Personal attacks are not "confidence". They're just evidence that your parents failed to teach you any manners.

You have repeatedly impugned my intelligence, my understanding of doctrine, my schooling, etc.

Can you?

But I didn't attack you. That's the whole point. You dove right in and stated attacking me the minute you realized that I wasn't a pushover and that I did not bow down to your opinion.

No, I did not misrepresent what they said. Again, you're lying about what I posted. I quoted them (complete with citations) verbatem.

And if they contradict the CCC, they're wrong.

 

And in what way is what you've just posted not a personal attack?

 

Show me my Personal attacks to you specifically. What do you consider a personal attack? Have you attacked me? It seems so to me since I can give evidence to it. I am reactionary and If you attack me I respond. And as far as the 5 catholic teachers you should read the other thread and see again that you have misrepresented what they said. I'm certain I can find even more sources in this matter than you've posted.

 

Eric, I believe you are correct, based on what I've read about the Christadelphians. They thus have many similarities to the Ebionites.

 

Hi Matt: almost the entire communication to our resident experts on Catholicism by JohnDeereFan are personal attacks.

A person grows up in a Catholic household. He maintains ties with his Catholic family. He communicates with Catholic clergy. Yet he gets told he does not know what he is talking about by someone who shows no signs of any familiarity with Catholicism.

Another person evidently attends Mass often enough to know what the heck is going on. She is told that she too does not know what she is talking about -- by that same someone who shows no sign of any familiarity with Catholicism.

It is calling these people stupid minus saying it. I dare say that if the religious system in discussion was not Catholicism, it probably would have been stopped by now.

I have never set foot in a Presbyterian congregation. I cannot imagine arguing with Presbyterians about what happens in their congregations -- or with someone who only recently stopped attending. I have never set foot in an Orthodox congregation; I cannot imagine arguing with an Orthodox or recent former Orthodox about what happens in an Orthodox congregation. It would be rude!

Imagine if you and I argued with Baptists here about what Baptists believed without
a) ever going to Baptist assembly,
b) without making any effort to get well-acquainted with the personal beilefs of any of them.
We would hear no end to the outrage -- and it would be deserved. Yet there are people here who do the exact same things toward Catholics or those with firsthand familliarity with them.

 

I do, and I suppose I am a baptist! Whatever that means. Born again evangelical Christian is the term I would use I guess. These days it seems you just can't say "I am a Christian".

 

I can call you a Christian. I believe all Christians (once notified of the faith) hold to the Trinity.

 

In what way do you believe the five Catholic sources I cited "show no signs of any familiarity with Catholicism"?

Again, how do the five Catholic sources I cited "show no sign of any familiarity with Catholicism"?

So, are you saying that no one represented in the five Catholic sources I cited ever went to a Catholic church?

The problem is that, without even getting into the many years I spent in the Catholic Church, each of the five Catholic sources I cited not only have "firsthand familiarity", but are authorities representing the Catholic Church.

 

Hi JohnDeereFan: I am not interested in your quotations from Catholic documents. I am not impressed. I have a copy of
a) the Catechism of the Catholic church, 2000, in two languages
b) the U.S. catechism
c) two books of Vatian II documents
d) a small library of a dozen or so current apologetics books
e) several contemporary Catholic study or educational Bibles in two languages
f) the teacher's edition of a religion textbook used in Catholic schools.

I also have a good friend who is a religious studies degree holder and former RCIA instructor, and we talked faith many times. I have worked in two Catholic schools.

I am familiar enough with Catholicism to know that you do not understand what you are reading. Catholicism is a complex religion. You are not going to learn about a complex faith like that by scanning their writings and only paying attention to what can be used as ammunition.

Further, I am more inclined to believe two individuals who evidently maintain closer ties to the Catholic church group than I do. They can tell me what Catholics currently believe.

One thing for sure: I am not going to argue with them about what Catholicism teaches now and what Catholics believe and do now. They obviously are better equippied to comment on what is going on in Catholic circles than I am and definitely more so than you.

 

But you just said you're not interested in what the Catechism has to say.

If you're not interested, then why do you have a copy?

Ah yes, the old "you disagree with me so I'm going to call you stupid" argument.

Sorry, I'm not going to sink to your level.

Honestly, it's at this point that I just follow the Bible's admonition not to argue with fools.

 

Evidently, you cannot understand what you read, or are a liar.

What I actually posted is there for anyone to read. Here it is again: "Hi JohnDeereFan: I am not interested in your quotations from Catholic documents."

I am interested in what the Catechism has to say, at least when it comes to understanding my Catholic neighbors. But unlike you, I desire to understand it correctly. That is not something I am going to get from you.

I am not the one arguing about what Catholics believe and do now with two people with current firsthand experience.

 

That's nice. God bless you, Darron. I'm praying for you.

 

Don't you just love the Christian forums!

Gosh, I would not call someone a liar, it happens though. I think most of us are as bad as each other. Thing is we all have a passion for Christianity and it comes out in us in different ways I guess.

I have said many things I regret, learning process I guess.

May God bless all this holiday period anyway.

 

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