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Featured Do Calvinists Affirm Free Will then?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Feb 16, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    I am a Calvinist who affirms it exactly as martin Luther did in the Bondage of the Will!
     
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    Calvinist redefine the meaning of words, which means Calvinists can affirm Free Will, and have it mean Free only to choose outside the will of God, thus consistent with the Bondage of the Will.
     
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    How can anyone have a free will that is bound? This whole Calvinist reformed stuff gets even more strange :eek:
     
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    Is any choice made outside the will of God though?
     
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    Jesus stated that all before salvation are enslaved to the flesh and sin nature, correct?
     
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    But this does not mean that they are not responsible for their own actions. Many Christians after they are born again are still enslaved to some sin
     
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    Yes people choose to sin, which by definition is outside the will of God, but what Calvinism falsely claims is the lost cannot, due to the Fall, choose to seek God, as the people of Matthew 23:13 do, and cannot have faith in the truth, as the people of 2 Thessalonians 2:13 do.
     
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    You just proved our case, as lost sinners will be held accountable for rejection of Jesus to save them from their sins!
     
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    Paul and Isaiah stated to us none seek after God, do you agree?
     
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    It is more nuanced than that. It's not that they cannot theoretically choose God. It is just that they won't. Nobody seeks God. Matthew 23:13 has nothing to do with this topic as we have discussed with you ad nauseum. And I still to this day do not see how you think 2 Thessalonians 2:13 supports your position.
     
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    They obviously do not.
     
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    That would make God out to be a Liar though!
     
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    But reformed theology teaches that no sinner can accept or reject Jesus! God first regenerates their hearts and then they are enabled to call on Him for their salvation. Or is this no longer the case
     
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    No, you are the one redefining things here. You literally define free will two different ways. 1. We have the freedom to choose anything. This is true. 2. We have the freedom to choose whatever we desire. This is also true. The question is, what IS our will? What IS our desire? We do not choose what we desire.
     
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    Redefining the meaning of seeking to enter the kingdom as not seeking God is complete rubbish, and your ad nauseum regurgitation of rubbish demonstrates your disdain for truth.
     
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    Isaiah 55.6

    Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near
     
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    Note that inability to address the issue? I said Calvinists define "free will" as consistent with the inability to choose other than outside the will of God. Was that addressed? Nope. Instead, this poster reads minds and tells us how I define "free will."
     
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    I didn't redefine anything Van.
     
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    How about you interact with my post?
     
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    I think that this is yet another thread of strawmen arguments which the reformed not really knowing what they believe
     
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