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Do Catholic Priests ever say read your Bible?

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  1. DHK

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    Yes, most definitely a Catholic teaching. But it is not a Biblical teaching.
    Peter warned about such men:

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    Where does the Bible speak of "the proper institution? Over and over again the Bible speaks or gives the example of sola scriptura. It admonishes us to:
    "Study to show ourselves approved unto God." Not to depend on an institution such as the magesterium.
    "Search the Scriptures..." Not to depend on an institution such as the magesterium."
    "This book of the law shall not depart out of they mouth but thou shalt meditate on it day and night..." Not to depend on an instituiton such as Magesterium,
    "To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them," Not because they depend on an institution such as a Magesterium.
    "This book is lamp unto our feet; a light unto our path"--not an institution such as the Mageserium
    "And they seacrhed the Scriptures daily with all readiness of mind to see whether these things were so," instead of depending on an institution such as the Magesterium.
    "And Philip began at the same Scripture and preached unto him Jesus," instead of interpreting to him the official position of Magesterium.

    How arrogant to say that there was an institution around to claim that they had a "private interpretation" of the Bible which is the only correct one. They still make that claim today, which is directly contrary to Scripture.

    2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Acts 8:30-35 - And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?
    31 Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
    32 And the place of the scripture which he was reading was this: He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb without voice before his shearer, so openeth he not his mouth.
    33 In humility his judgment was taken away. His generation who shall declare, for his life shall be taken from the earth?
    34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? of himself, or of some other man?
    35 Then Philip, opening his mouth, and beginning at this scripture, preached unto him Jesus.

    The first church was not a Catholic one, and thus the Ethiopian Eunuch, after he made a profession of faith in Christ, that is by faith and faith alone, trusted Christ; he went down into the water, and was immersed, and came up out of the water after being immersed. What do you know! He was a Baptist after all! [​IMG] For this reason he was not lead into destruction as he would have been had the church been Catholic.

    Sincere, but sincerly wrong and sincerely biased.
    And the Catholics have no understanding of them at all. Just ask them what it means to be "born again?"

    You should do that more often. But be more objective in your selection of commentaries. If you stick with you Catholic commentaries you will never come to a knowledge of the truth.
    DHK
     
  2. Sirach

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    Yes, most definitely a Catholic teaching. But it is not a Biblical teaching.
    Peter warned about such men:

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    Where does the Bible speak of "the proper institution? Over and over again the Bible speaks or gives the example of sola scriptura. It admonishes us to:
    "Study to show ourselves approved unto God." Not to depend on an institution such as the magesterium.
    "Search the Scriptures..." Not to depend on an institution such as the magesterium."
    "This book of the law shall not depart out of they mouth but thou shalt meditate on it day and night..." Not to depend on an instituiton such as Magesterium,
    "To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them," Not because they depend on an institution such as a Magesterium.
    "This book is lamp unto our feet; a light unto our path"--not an institution such as the Mageserium
    "And they seacrhed the Scriptures daily with all readiness of mind to see whether these things were so," instead of depending on an institution such as the Magesterium.
    "And Philip began at the same Scripture and preached unto him Jesus," instead of interpreting to him the official position of Magesterium.

    How arrogant to say that there was an institution around to claim that they had a "private interpretation" of the Bible which is the only correct one. They still make that claim today, which is directly contrary to Scripture.

    2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Acts 8:30-35 - And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?
    31 Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
    32 And the place of the scripture which he was reading was this: He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb without voice before his shearer, so openeth he not his mouth.
    33 In humility his judgment was taken away. His generation who shall declare, for his life shall be taken from the earth?
    34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? of himself, or of some other man?
    35 Then Philip, opening his mouth, and beginning at this scripture, preached unto him Jesus.

    The first church was not a Catholic one, and thus the Ethiopian Eunuch, after he made a profession of faith in Christ, that is by faith and faith alone, trusted Christ; he went down into the water, and was immersed, and came up out of the water after being immersed. What do you know! He was a Baptist after all! [​IMG] For this reason he was not lead into destruction as he would have been had the church been Catholic.

    Sincere, but sincerly wrong and sincerely biased.
    And the Catholics have no understanding of them at all. Just ask them what it means to be "born again?"

    You should do that more often. But be more objective in your selection of commentaries. If you stick with you Catholic commentaries you will never come to a knowledge of the truth.
    DHK
    </font>[/QUOTE]DHK,

    That is your commentary. How do we know that you are right?

    I know many Catholics and their reasoning for being born again is reasonable. "Born of water and spirit" - the Catholic Church teaches that they are born again at their baptism, and that is Scripture based.


    Faith alone - What does James 2 say about that? What does it call someone who says "faith alone"?

    Be honest.

    We are saved because of Grace.

    Acts 15:11
    On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they."


    God Bless,
    Sirach
     
  3. Priscilla Ann

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    Sirach:

    Yes, the bible is read at mass. There are certain readings for each Sunday of the year. They read portions of the bible; and over time, Catholics probably hear most of, or maybe even all, of their bible. The problem is that they are only hearing select portions each time. They never hear it in its entire context. It's like seeing clips of a movie, but never seeing the entire movie from beginning to end. You miss part of the meaning that way

    The difference in the Baptist church that I now attend is that we will study an entire book of the bible. For example, our current sermon series is a study on the book of Matthew. We are working our way through Matthew, reading everything in its context, and then discussing it. We look into the original languages and customs of that time and people. All of this adds to the understanding of scripture.

    I never experienced the depth of bible study and understanding in the Catholic church that I have in my home Baptist church. I praise God that he opened my eyes to the truth of His Word.

    PA
     
  4. DHK

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    We know what is right by what the Bible teaches.
    It is not Scripture based. The Bible never teaches the pagan superstition that water saves. It does not teach that one is born again through water. This pagan belief is Hinduism. The Hindus believe that their sins are washed away when they bathe in the holy waters of the Ganges River. Your belief is very similar. It is superstitious. You belief that sprinkling a few drops of H2O will somehow wash away your sins. That is not Biblical; it is paganism.

    I am honest, and quite frankly this is one of the lamest arguments I have ever encountered. By using it you align yourself with occult and witchcraft. You suggest that certain words have certain powers just like incantations, curses, spells, and so on. In other words you don't believe that the English language has synonyms and can use other words to exress the same thing. You readliy admit that the word Trinity is not in the Bible, but you believe in it anyway. But somehow you want the Baptist, the Protestant to find the magical incantation "Faith Alone...Faith Alone...Faith Alone...Faith Alone..." as if the phrase itself must be found in the Bible in order to be true. That, my friend, is a teaching of the occult. We don't believe in spells and incantations. We believe what the Bible teaches. Here is what the Bible teaches. I will be honewst. Will you?

    Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    "By grace are ye saved"
    This has nothing to do with baptism, sacraments, man's works, or any other similar thing. It is one way of saying: faith alone. Let's see how many ways Paul emphasizes this point in these two verses.
    The grace referred to is God's grace. Grace literally means "the free unmerited gift of God." It is an undeserved gift; that which we do not deserve. Those things like sunshine and rain are a result of God's grace to mankind. We don't deserve the sunshine and rain. We haven't worked for them. We have done nothing to merit them, but God gives us the sunshine and rain in spite of our sinfulness and rebellion against him. And not just to us, but to the whole world--to the most sinful and rebellious creatures you can think of--he graciously gives sunshine and rain. That is the grace of God. It is Him giving even when we don't deserve it. Here is a good definition given by Paul:

    Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    Paul states if there is any amount of work done; then it is not grace. Grace is wholly of God. There is no work on man's behalf. It is all of God. If it is all of God, and a gift of God, it can only be accepted by faith and faith alone, for any work (like baptism) would negate the very fact it is grace. It wouldn't be grace if there were works involved, like baptism. That is what Paul is stating in Rom.11:6. Therefore if salvation is by grace, it must be by faith alone.

    The grace referred to in Eph.2:8 is specifically speaking of the grace of God in reference to salvation, that is when Christ died on the cross for our sins, and paid the penalty with his blood through his death. He did this out of grace. We didn't deserve it; but he died for us anyway. It was out of his grace; God's grace. We are saved through the grace of God, because Christ paid the penalty for our sins, when nothing else could do. Man cannot pay the penalty for sin. Not through praying the rosary, not through spending time in purgatory, not through baptism, not through any of the sacraments, not through keeping the Ten Commandments, not through anything that you do. Christ paid it all. John 10:30, He uttered the words:
    It is finished.
    There is nothing that man can do. The work of salvation is finished. Christ paid the entire penalty Himself. It is left to man to accept His work of grace by faith and by faith alone. For by grace are ye saved. By grace he provided a way of salvation--through the blood of Christ--the blood that was shed for us on Calvary--the blood that paid the penalty for our sins. Faith and faith alone in that sacrifice will save a person. For by grace are ye saved.

    "through faith This is the next part of the verse in Eph.2:8. We are saved through faith. It is faith in the sacrifice provided by the grace of God. It is faith and faith alone. This is understood. Faith alone is an expression understood, and understood by the most simplest of readers. It doesn't have to say "alone." It is implied and any reader understands that. It does nto say: "faith and baptism," or "faith and sacraments." It says "through faith," with an obvious meaning of "faith alone." This is especially true after stating that we are saved by grace. Paul didn't have to be redundant and state "faith alone" because the very fact that it is through grace tells us that it is by faith alone. If it wasn't by faith alone, then it wouldn't be of grace. Any work involved would negate the definition of grace, therefore it must be by faith alone. Logic demands this. Read again Romans 11:6.

    Faith is confidence in the word of another. It has absolutely nothing to do with works. It is trust. So Jesus said you must have faith as a little child. A little child has implicit faith in his parents that they will provide for him. That is what Christ was referring to--the faith.
    Do you have faith and faith alone in the sacrifice of Christ, that it is sufficient, in and of itself, to save you and forve your sins? That is salvation by grace through faith. Savation is provided by the grace of God. It is accepted by faith in order to be saved. It is a gift.

    "and that not of yourselves" What does this say? It says "Faith alone." Not of yourselves. That means, not of any work that you can do including baptism and any other sacrament or keeping the law or the Ten Commandments. It means doing nothing. "That not of yourself." There is absolutely nothing you can do to merit salvation. It is to be accepted by faith alone; not by baptism or any other work; but by faith alone. "Not of yourself," but by faith, because it is of the grace of God. This is really very simple theology. Paul states over and over again how that salvation is by faith alone. It can be no other way.

    Romans 4:4-5 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    "it is not of yourselves."

    It is the gift of God
    This is the next part of the verse in Eph.2:8, and goes along well with the first part
    Salvation is a gift. A gift cannot be earned. It cannot be worked for. It can only be accepted by faith and faith alone. That is what makes it a gift by very definition. Here again Paul emphasizes that it is by faith alone. If salvation is the gift of God, it can only be accepted by faith alone. There is no other way a gift can be accepted. How can one work for a gift. If you work for a gift, then the gift is no longer a gift. It is a debt to be owed for the work that is done.

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Verse nine starts out by saying
    Not of works another phrase emphasizing "Faith alone." For the very fact that it is not of works it must be by faith alone. How many times has Paul emphasized this now? It is not of works. It is by faith; it is by faith alone. How direct does Paul have to be here. Not Of Works!! It can't be any plainer can it? Those works include baptism, sacraments, Ten Commandments, etc. Any good work that you can think of, it includes.

    Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    That is what God thinks of your good works, your righteousnesses--filthy rags. That is all they are good for. They won't help get you to heaven. The only way to heaven is by faith alone in the shed blood of Jesus Christ provided by the grace of God. It is not of works. Put your works away. They are only filthy rags in the sight of God anyway, baptism included. Salvation is not of works; but by faith alone.

    Then finally Paul states
    lest any man should boast
    He says that because if you could get to heaven by baptism or any other religious rite or good work, you would be in Heaven boasting about it: "See what I have done, See what I have done." It wouldn't matter that Jesus Christ paid 99.9999999999999999% of the penalty of your sins. You boast in that little part that you had done to get entrance into heaven. And you would do it for all eternity. You would be sure to remind Christ about it too.
    No Christ paid the penalty in full. You have nothing to boast about. He paid the full penalty of the burden of our sins, and not only ours, but of the sins of the whole world. It is by faith and faith alone that we must accept the payment of that penalty--His blood that was shed for us. If we do we will trust him as our Saviuor, admitting that we are guilty sinners deserving only of Hell, and ask his forgiveness on the basis of his sacrifice, once and for all. He paid the penalty of our sins. Will you accept what he has done on the cross as payment for your sins, accepting it by faith and faith alone. That is the teaching here.
    DHK
     
  5. D28guy

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    DHK posted,

    For by grace you are saved, through faith. And that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast".

    3 positives, and 2 negatives.

    3 that are necesarry to be saved, 2 that are not.

    These 3 are *specifically* included in what must be there to be saved:

    Grace.

    Faith.

    Gift
    (from God)

    These 2 are "specifically* excluded from what must be there to be saved:

    Anything that is of ourself.

    Works.

    I dont know how God could make it any clearer. And that one verse is just the proverbial tip of the iceberg. And that would be one HUUUUUGE iceberg if we incuded every passage of scripture that supports the truth that we are justified in Gods eyes through faith alone.

    This truth is literally THUNDERED from the scriptures. Over and over and over and over and over again.

    A person would have to be either blind, or almost brainwashed to miss such a foundational truth.

    When I hear...and I've heard it many many many times...that incredibly weak, silly, comical and embarassingly pitiful statement that...

    (with the tone of the Hare Krishas in the airport)

    ...I think to myself that it MUST be brainwashing. Nobody in their right mind could possibly fall for something so mind numbingly ridiculous and absurd...in light of the entirety of truth regarding the gospel found in Gods scriptures.

    Very VERY sadly,

    Mike
     
  6. John3v36

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    Where in the Bible does it say Peter would have one succeeded him?

    There was no reliable evidence to prove that Peter was ever in Rome, other than to die.
    On another note consider this verse:

    1 Timothy 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

    Paul was giving the qualifications of a pastor. The terms pastor, bishop, overseer, elder, are all used interchageably for the same office. They may refer to different aspects of that office, by they are the same office nevertheless. To call Peter the first bishop of anthing is not to elevate above any pastor whatsoever. There is no hierarchy in the Bible.
    DHK
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    I know Roman Catholics and I also know many Baptists and can conclude that of the two I prefer the Catholics I know. I have a great respect for those Catholics I know and find them far from ignorant and very knowlegable regarding the scriptures (though it is not very common admittedly). The words of Bishop J. C.Ryle of Liverpool (an anglican) still cause me to think. He said that "although a man may not understand our doctrines, he will understand our acts of love" Be thankful therefore if you see a Catholic or a Baptist doing works of love rather than judging them for not carrying their Bibles. For this is the proof whether they have been reading it or not. Also we must remember that we have the Roman Catholic church to thank for keeping the scriptures intact for many centuries.
    Although I personally am not Roman Catholic I must say that although I see many Baptists carrying their Bibles around, they remind me rather of the Pharisees of old. Though not all.
     
  8. KellyWhite

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    You bet your bottom dollar Catholics read the Bible. Prior to Vatican II, many Catholics drifted away from Bible reading. That is no longer the case.

    It is recommended that Catholics read a chapter of the Bible a day. You don't see Catholics carrying their Bibles to church because much of the practice of the Catholic faith is done throughout the day and the week at home. Bible reading, praying and reflection takes place is a Cahtolic's life throughout the day.
     
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    One of my relatives visited my home and I asked him if he would join us as my family usually have the Bible study on Saturdays and he agreed to us.
    I asked him if Catholics read Bible often. Then he said Catholics read Bible a lot, and said many people misunderstand that Catholics do not read the Bible, which is untrue.

    As we read the Bible, I asked him to read Colossaians, then he tried to find it out among the Old Testaments. Then we read Isaiah 53, and he was searching in the New Testament, and thereafter we read Romans, then he was watching me for the help to find out where is Romans. Then I realized the problem was serious and we studied the Bible for 2.5 hours, and he was very much impressed and said to me, during these hours I learned about what is Gospel and why the Redemption by Jesus Christ is so important and what is the meaning of Cross, how we can be saved and how we can go to the Heaven, how much we should be thankful to Jesus, how much God so loved us, a lot.

    At the end he said to me that he read the Bible during those hours much more than what he read in the past 30 years at the Roman Catholic church and told me Roman Catholic never taught him what is the meaning of Redemption at the Cross to him.

    This is a true story happened at my home.
     
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    Eliyahu,

    I grew up as a Catholic till I was age 14 and not once did I ever hear anything in church or catechism school about Jesus dying on the cross for my sins.

    I didnt find out about that till later and always wondered why they didnt even say anything about that in the church.

    Claudia
     
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    That is either a lie, or a very bad parish!

    Did you know the church grands indulgences for reading the bible for a half hour at a time?
     
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    Kelly, be honest with me. Your profile is Baptist. Are you Baptist? By your post you sound like a Catholic. Otherwise how could you post such personal information? An explanation would be appreciated.
    Do Catholics read their Bibles? No they don't. How do I know? I was a Catholic for 20 years. We (as a family) never even owned a Bible. After 20 years of Catholicism I was Biblically illiterate. I was familiar with what was spoon fed me in the catechism, but not the Bible.
    What about now. All of my extended family is still Catholic: parents, brothers, sisters, etc. Do any of them read the Bible? Not a chance! Nor are they encouraged to. The Catholic Church does not encourage the reading of the Bible. So why do you post they do? Where do you get your source of information? Are you a Catholic defending your own faith?
    By whom? And who follows that recommendation? Some preachers may recommend that we read through the Bible once a week. But how many people follow that recommendation. Just because it is recommended doesn't mean that Catholics do it.
    This is your testimony. You are so well acquainted with the Catholic life that you are one, correct? I want you to come clean on this. How would you know this information unless you are a Catholic, or are you just blowing off steam, speaking of things that you know nothing about??

    Now for reality. How is a Catholic different from any other homo sapien that wanders this earth? He isn't. The fact that he doesn't carry his Bible is just evidence that he probably doesn't have a Bible to carry.
    A Catholic doesn't carry a Bible to Mass because there is no need for a Catholic to have a Bible at the Mass. The only thing that a Catholic may ever have need is their Missal, and that is about all.
    The Catholic is like any other person. He will go home, have dinner, watch television, or spend time behind his computer, spend time with his family, go to bed, get up in the morning, go to work, etc. And basically the Bible and prayer will remain untouched during the week. At Mass once a week he will hear a couple of readings from the Bible and a homilie from the priest which will be enough to fill his spiritual needs for another week unless he is devout enough to go to confession that week.
    The Catholic is no different than anyone else, and usually a whole lot less religious. He goes to church once a week, doesn't read a Bible, and rarely takes the time to think about God the rest of the week unless he is in trouble.
    Now where did you get this information from? Is it first hand? Are you the Catholic? Is this the way that you order your life--as a Catholic?
    DHK
     
  13. DHK

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    That is either a lie, or a very bad parish!

    Did you know the church grands indulgences for reading the bible for a half hour at a time?
    </font>[/QUOTE]No, the church never granted indulgences for reading the Bible. It granted indulgences according to how man Hail Mary's one could say, how many times you could pray through the rosary. Bible reading was totally irrelevant.
    A former Catholic.
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    That is either a lie, or a very bad parish!

    Did you know the church grands indulgences for reading the bible for a half hour at a time?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Some of the Catholics read the Bible a little, not much, the rest of them, the most Catholics don't read Bible.

    The relative whom I mentioned was the chairman of the Young Apostles Committee at the Catholic church,but never read the Bible till he studied at my home.

    May I ask you how many times you have read the entire Bible so far?
     
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    Claudia is it possible that your memory is faulty, that whoever influenced you to join the Ellen White cult influenced you on what you remember or have you misspoke in claiming you went to a Catholic Church

    Here are just a few items during Mass that you would have heard if you actually attended a Catholic Church

    Opening Prayer

    Let us pray:
    Father of everlasting goodness,
    our origin and guide, be close to us
    and hear the prayers of all who praise you.
    Forgive us our sins and restore us to life.
    Keep us safe in your love.
    Grant this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son,
    who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit,
    one God, for ever and ever.
    Amen.

    Agnus Dei

    Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the worlds:
    have mercy on us.
    Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the worlds:
    have mercy on us.
    Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the worlds:
    grant us peace.

    Memorial Acclamation:

    Let us proclaim the mystery of faith:
    Lord, by your cross and resurrection you have set us free.
    You are the Savior of the world.

    Gloria:

    ….Lord Jesus Christ, only son of the Father, Lord God, Lamb of God, you take away the sin of the world:….

    Profession of Faith

    We believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all that is seen and unseen.
    We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made,
    one in being with the Father.
    Through him all things were made.
    For us men and our salvation
    he came down from heaven:
    by the power of the Holy Spirit
    he was born of the Virgin Mary,
    and became Man.
    For our sake he was crucified
    under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered, died, and was buried.
    On the third day he rose again
    in fullfillment of the Scriptures;
    he ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory
    to judge the living and the dead,
    and his kingdom will have no end.
    We believe in the Holy Spirit,
    The Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
    With the Father and the Son
    he is worshiped and glorified.
    He has spoken through the prophets.
    We believe in one holy catholic
    and apostolic Church.
    We acknowledge one baptism
    for the forgiveness of sins.
    We look for the resurrection of the dead,
    and the life of the world to come. Amen.

    Preface

    Father, it is our duty and our salvation,
    always and everywhere
    to give you thanks
    through your beloved Son, Jesus Christ.
    He is the Word
    through whom you made the universe,
    the Savior you sent to redeem us.
    By the power of the Holy Spirit
    he took flesh and was born
    of the Virgin Mary.
    For our sake he opened his arms on the cross;
    he put an end to death
    and revealed the resurrection.
    In this he fulfilled your will
    and won for you a holy people.
    And so we join the angels and the saints
    in proclaiming your glory as we say:

    Institution Narrative

    When supper was ended, he took the cup.
    Again he gave you thanks and praise,
    gave the cup to his disciples, and said:
    Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
    this is the cup of my blood,
    the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
    It will be shed for you and for all
    so that sins may be forgiven.
     
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    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    Kelly, I would appreciate an answer to my post.
    Are you a Catholic or a Baptist? What church do you attend? What is the name of it?
    DHK
     
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    DHK said...

    I was born and raised Catholic. 8 years of Catholic grade school, mass, and catechism class. I was a Catholic right up until I was born again in my mid 20's.(after hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ for the 1st time)

    We were NEVER advised to spend time feeding on the scriptures. Never once. Never during the mass, never during catechism class, religion class or at any other time.

    The only bible we had was a giant thing that practically took a forklift to lift. It was for "show" only. It stayed up in the bookshelf unused for decades. The only time it came down was if the parish priest was going to visit for some reason. Then mom would put it in the middle of the coffee table until he left.

    And we were not the exception. This was the norm.

    The Catholic Church would be insane to advise their people to feed on and study the scriptures.

    Too much of a chance their eyes might be opened and they might come to know and understand the truth.

    Sadly,

    Mike
     
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    I was born and raised Catholic. 8 years of Catholic grade school, mass, and catechism class. I was a Catholic right up until I was born again in my mid 20's.(after hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ for the 1st time)

    We were NEVER advised to spend time feeding on the scriptures. Never once. Never during the mass, never during catechism class, religion class or at any other time.

    The only bible we had was a giant thing that practically took a forklift to lift. It was for "show" only. It stayed up in the bookshelf unused for decades. The only time it came down was if the parish priest was going to visit for some reason. Then mom would put it in the middle of the coffee table until he left.

    And we were not the exception. This was the norm.

    The Catholic Church would be insane to advise their people to feed on and study the scriptures.

    Too much of a chance their eyes might be opened and they might come to know and understand the truth.

    Sadly,

    Mike
    </font>[/QUOTE]Boy isnt that the truth! If Catholics read their Bibles they would have their eyes opened. Thats why they had the dark ages and kept the Bible away from everybody, plus all the Latin mumbo jumbo too.

    My mother was a catholic Nun before marrying my father and to this day I cant understand why she herself never said a word to me about the Bible or about Jesus dying on the cross for my sins. I wish I wouldve known about that then.

    She had one of those huge Bibles too in her room. But I never saw anyone ever reading it..


    Claudia

    [ April 30, 2006, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]
     
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    Born again Catholic,

    what a dumb thing for you to say to me.
     
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    I tell ya, sometimes I wonder if some of these people's butter slipped off their pancakes or something...
     
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