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Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

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  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

    I’m interested in how their support for the State of Israel fits into the plan to preach the gospel to all nations.

    Paul teaches all of God’s promises are yes in Jesus. How can the ancient promises apply to those who exist solely because of their hatred and rejection of Jesus?

    Does Dispensationalism teach two gospels? One for the church and another based on OT Law for the Jews? Where in the future another temple will replace the gospel with Judaism?

    I have many more questions. But these first come to mind.
     
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    It doesn't. American Christians who support Israel don't share the gospel in Israel, nor do they object to Israeli laws muffling the gospel. Christian communities in the middle-east have been decimated as a result of America's actions, actions strongly supported, for the sake of Israel, by said American Christians under false pretenses.

    Yes, it does. Many supporters of Israel deny their belief in two gospels, but their denial is not backed up by their actions nor their other words.
     
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    I am a Covenant Theologian but I am not going to accuse Dispensationalists of preaching a different gospel. There is only one gospel. I believe Dispensationalists are misguided and in error but another gospel?

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    It's called dual-covenant theology and is taught be some people, and implied by other people. It teaches that Jews, because of Abraham, are automatically saved, even without accepting Christ. Any Christian group which agrees not to proselytize in Israel, or chooses not to proselytize to Jews, implicitly believes in duel-covenant theology.

    Here's an example: Christian leader calls to stop proselytizing Jews
     
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    Paul stated that God still has plans for the Jewish people and nation,m has not totally forever rejected them, why do you?
     
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    The dumbest thread ever started on this board.
     
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    That is not the garden variety Dispensationalism that most Baptists hold to. Sure. John Hagee holds to the extreme version of Dispensationalism you are mentioning but that is a minority among Baptists.
     
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    The Jews are currently a tremendously hard sell on Christianity due to the Spiritual blindness imposed on them by God. Paul was crystal clear on this. Now the question is why did God do this? Several reasons.
    First, is for us Gentiles to have this wonderful age of grace, which we did not have prior to Christ coming and doing the work he was sent to do. Second, is for the glory of the physical salvation of the Jews in the Gog-Magog war. Third, is the glorious spiritual mass salvation of Jews in the Great Tribulation, otherwise known as Jacob's Trouble. Fourth is for Christ to reign for a thousand years from Jerusalem in the midst of his restored and chosen Israelite people. Fulfilling his promise he made to Jacob concerning his seed after they wrestled. Fifth is the final glorification of God when Satan is released after Christ's thousand years reign and Satan gathers the nations to come against Israel the final time and God utterly destroys all his enemies. It is folly to think that the Jews attain salvation without trusting Christ. The two wonderful witnesses sent by God testify of Christ for the first 3.5 years of the Great Tribulation, when they have completed their testimony, God allows the Antichrist to slay them. After 3.5 days of laying dead in the streets, the Lord restores life back into his two wonderful witnesses. Unlike Christ's resurrection and ascending, which were not seen by the unbelieving. The two witnesses resurrection and ascending are seen by the unbelieving. At that point, man shall know that the Lord does indeed have resurrection power. Coupled with the Antichrist proclaiming himself to be god, at virtually the same time, the Jews will realize that the Lord Jesus Christ was indeed the Messiah. And they Shall Believe. This is when the Jews must flee, for when the two witnesses are called to Life, the Antichrist will be proven to not have power over death and that indeed our Lord has conquered death. Exposed to not be the god he proclaims himself to be, the brutality of the beast will be unleashed upon mankind and martyrdom shall be increased, for many will trust in the Lord's resurrection power. I would not want to be a foolish Replacement Theologist that must stand before God and answer for despising His chosen people.
     
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    Why do you have to go blaming God when so many Christians refuse to, or are reluctant to, proselytize to Jews?

    I would not want to be foolish and stand before God and tell them that I didn't go make disciples of all nations because one of them was already Chosen.
     
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    There are folks like you speak of, However, I want to state my sector of the IFB\Dispensationalist is active in their witness to the Jews.
     
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    Exactly. We have a local ministry who witness to and equip others to witness to the Jews, who arestaunch dispensationalists.
     
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    This is constrained by this passage; “And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” Romans 11:23 (KJV 1900) = Grafted back into Israel under Christ aka the Church.
     
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    I have received intelligent replies asking these questions here and on other boards.
     
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    It's the witnessing to the rival nations others that seems impeded.
     
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    It's all nations, including Israel's enemies, not just Israel.
     
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    As are my sector also brother.
     
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    There is a simple one word answer to this whole post. NO
     
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    The bandwagon defense is a logical fallacy. There was a large number of people who followed Jim Jones.
     
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    Wouldn't I prepare a mission team heading to Uganda, for example, in their languages and culture? Would preparing a team in that manner necessarily imply neglect to other nations?
     
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    Thanks David. I'd like to hear some of what you believe in this.
     
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