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Do we have to worship on Saturday not Sunday?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by xdisciplex, Sep 23, 2006.

  1. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    May I suggest a careful reading of Colossians 1:10-20 and John 1:1-5?

    Will any Bible facts at all be of interest for you?
     
  2. Chemnitz

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    I am being reasonable, if I was being unreasonable I would be requesting that you take me back in your magic timemachine.

    A leap year does affect things because God as evidenced by scriptural language kept track of time by means of a numerical system. Leap years do affect the number of physical days, in a leap year there is physically one additional day in the year that does change which would be the seventh day from either creation or the manna account.

    John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    now where does that call the Son the creator?

    Colossians 1:16 For in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- all things were created through him and for him.

    No creator Son there. Looks like you are 0-2.
     
  3. tamborine lady

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    Do we have to worship on Sat not Sun?

    :type:

    In reply to the OP:

    We don't have to worship on any day, but we should want to worship whenever the Bible tells us to. (Which is Sat)

    Peace

    Tam
     
  4. Helen

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    We should be worshiping God every day.

    The day we choose to gather with other Christians for corporate learning and worship is a matter of choice. Saturday is traditional for the Jews and Sunday for the Christians.

    Our best Bible studies and worship times here are our Bible studies on Wednesday evenings!
     
  5. OcalaGator

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    3ABN, Amazong Farce, Doug are all wholly owned entities of the SDA church. They practice their evangilism in deception and without putting their name on things. They ARE a sect, or worse. Their doctries are based on the teachings of their false prophet, Ellen G White, a proven plagarist.

    They have other programs that they use "under cover" of generic names. Prophecy or Revelatiion Seminars, Seven day stop smoken programs and numerous healthy eating seminars. All based on White's teachings. They are very deceptive and about as Christian as the LDS or the Jehovah's Witnesses. They talk a good story, even use the right words, but the doctrines they don't tell you would drive any true follower of Jesus away, fast.

    I know. I was born, raised, and educated through two years of college in their system. Thank God I found Jesus and no longer need their legalistic drivel.
     
  6. Helen

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    1. When you take those quotes in context, they are clearly referencing Jesus Christ.

    2. Consider, please, the following from Hebrews:
    In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
    Hebrews 1:1-1-3a

    3. Consider, please, also the following:
    This is what the LORD says -- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
    I am the LORD,
    who has made all things,
    who alone streched out the heavens,
    who spread out the earth by myself
    Isaiah 44:24

    Listen to me, O Jacob,
    Israel, whom I have called:
    I am he;
    I am the first and I am the last.
    My own hand laid the foundations of the earth,
    and my right hand spread out the heavens;
    when I summon them,
    they all stand up together.
    Isaiah 48:12-13

    Who is the first and the last?

    If you go to Revelation, you will find

    When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said,
    "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."
    that is Christ, our Creator and Redeemer, the Holy One.
    Rev. 1:17-18

    The song of the elders, in Rev. 4:9-11, also should be noted:

    Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:
    "You are worth, our Lord and God,
    to receive glory and honor and power,
    for you created all things,
    and by your will they were created and have their being."

    In other words, one has to be somewhat ignorant of the Bible to claim that Jesus Christ is not also God the Creator.
     
  7. Chemnitz

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    Helen, you need to go back and study your Trinitarian theology, not to mention reread the verses. None of them ever call the Son the creator, including all the ones you threw up. Creation was made through him not by him.
     
  8. tamborine lady

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    Worship omn Sat, not Sun.

    :type:

    Hey Chemnitz,

    Helen is right. Jesus formed or helped God form all creation.

    Check out this scripture:
    Gen 1-26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

    BTW, the us is plural, so Jesus was there.

    John 1-1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


    I think you need to check your facts in your bible.

    Selah,

    Tam




     
  9. Helen

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    Funny, when Jesus said His disciples had seen Him, they had seen the Father...

    Or are you saying Jesus is not God?
     
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    This side of glory, I doubt if any of us will fully understand the inter-relationship of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are one in eternity. In that sense we may deem that any one of the designations created all things. Frankly, I can't get too excited over the semantics employed. The personality divisions are just to help us better understand who God is, and what He does in relation to humankind and the earth and the heavens.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Chemnitz denies all of science and Christianity and Judaism in his claims that we are all just imagining that Christ rose on week-day-1 and that this is Sunday not Tuesday.

    Now Chemnitz denies Col 1:15-20 -- is there any "limit"??

    Col 1
    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    16 For BY HIM all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things have been created through Him and for Him.
    17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.


     
  12. BobRyan

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    Sooo anyway -- back to "Christ the Creator" and the fact that What God creates - Christ Creates. -- What God says - Christ Says.

    Christ IS God - He is ONE with the Father and it serves no purpose to divide them as in "The Father Created this - but not Christ".

    It is just as much the Word of God the Son in Gen 1-2:3 as the Father. Christ Himself is speaking - it is HIS ACT in Gen 2:2-3 that we honor - as much as the act of the Father and the act of the Holy Spirit.

    To imagine that you only deny the work and Word, power and authority of God the Father when rejecting Gen 2:3 j- but not the work and Word of Christ is to insert division where there is none.

    Therefore Christ is explicit when HE says "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    You like to quote Ex 16 a lot as proof that Saturday=Sabbath, but if you will note, Saturday is not ever mentioned in that chapter. It says that tommorow is the sabbath and not that Saturday is the sabbath.
     
  14. BobRyan

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    "Saturday" is the name given to the SEVENTH day of the week by the Romans. God did not need to "find a Roman" to know which day was the Sabbath.

    The point is that Gen 2:3 AND Exodus 20:8-11 and yes even Ex 16 SHOW that instead of Sabbath being "ANY OLD DAY in seven that each individual would like to select" it is A DAY of God's OWN choosing. THE Seventh day.

    That is what Ex 16 and the other texts in Genesis and Exodus "prove".

    But when it comes to "proving that THAT day is in fact our Seventh day of OUR week today -- i.e the one WE NAME Saturday" - all we have to do is notice that the NT DOES show us which day that Christ kept in the NT- and all we have to do is admit to the obvious -- that the Julian Calendar of Christ's day IS STILL KNOWN TODAY in terms of the weekly cycle TODAY maching the SAME 7 day week in the NT!!

    CONFIRMING evidece beyond reasonable doubt is ADDED when you observe that even across religious boundaries (Christians and Jews) AGREE that the FIRST day (Christ being raised on week-day-1) HAS to be the day we call SUNDAY.

    Now all we have to do is "connect the dots". If Christ is keeping the REAL seventh day in the NT -- then so are WE because we KNOW which day of the week that was. But if "God the Son was confused" in the NT to the extent that EVEN when HE says "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28 -- He in fact has no clue as to which day that really is -- ONLY then can the Saturday-Sunday obfuscation tactics suggested in this thread - ever see the light of day.


    This point is so glaringly obvious in all aspects that it is impossible to conceive that anyone out there is still in the dark on the subject of the 7 day week.
     
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    The Roman calendar was forced on Israel when they were defeated long before Jesus was born (before that they had their own calendar). The names of the days of the week on the roman calendar were well known when the NT was written. The NT, however, does not use the names for the days of the week (perhaps because the Roman calendar is not God's calendar). Yet, you wish to give the Roman calendar inspired status. I will not. I will go with what the Bible says and you can keep your traditions.
     
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    Bump Bump Bump Crickets...chirp chirp
     
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    Amen av1611jim. Acts chapter 15 spells it out for us very clearly.
     
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    "But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
    (Joh 4:23-24)

    I personally think any day of the week is just fine as long as we do the above.

    Actually every day of the week is even better :)
     
  19. BobRyan

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    The context of John 4 is that of the "PLACE" of worship. Christ argues that "Salvation is of the Jews" and then concedes that the PLACE of worship is not limited to being IN the Temple in Jerusalem.

    Certainly this was true for Moses, and Abraham and us today.

    That has nothing to do with the notion that Christ was "Abolishing His own Holy day" -- you know the one that Christ references in Isaiah 66 when he says "From Sabbath to Sabbath all mankind will come before Me to Worship" speaking explicitly of the New Earth.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    A little sanity please.

    The Point is that the REASON all Jews and Christians AGREE on this weekly cycle such that Christ "rose on week day one" means SUNDAY - is that the Roman calendar gave names to the SAME days that the Jews had to live in when they woke up and went to work each day. The fact that a Hindu can give Tuesday "another name" does not ABOLISH TUESDAY!

    This is such a simple concept - hard to believe some are stuck "not getting it"
     
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