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Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by fromtheright, Nov 27, 2004.

  1. fromtheright

    fromtheright <img src =/2844.JPG>

    Feb 21, 2002
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    Well, I'll try this again.

    I would ask if any of you agree with any of the following statements:

    1. "A more closely integrated Europe is no longer an unqualified American interest."

    2. "We should start a debate within Europe over the French ambition to build the European Union into an anti-American counterweight."

    3. "We should calibrate the nature and extent of our cooperation with France to reflect French behavior."

    4. "We should seek a defense partnership with Japan, Australia, and other willing Asian democracies as intimate and enduring as the NATO alliance."

    5. "We should maintain a credible military guarantee for Taiwan."

    6. "We should promote an Asian regional defense system against ballistic missiles."

    7. "We should seek greater South Korean responsibility for its own defense."

    8. "We should accept India and Pakistan's nuclear weapons as an unwelcome but unalterable fact and drop all remaining sanctions against them."

    9. "We should promote peace by promoting subcontinental economic integration."

    10. "Our claims to world leadership rest not just on our power and wealth but on our moral authority."

    11. "The UN must commit itself to the proposition that harboring, supporting, or financing terrorists in itself constitutes an Article 51 act of aggression against the country those terrorists target. If not, we should formally reject the UN's authority over our war on terror."

    12. "We should never be too proud to appeal for help and to be grateful when we receive it, but we should not make the mistake of relying on it."
  2. Hardsheller

    Hardsheller Active Member
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    Jun 21, 2002
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    The certainly don't all carry the same priority or weight.

    For example - Explain #9

    Whose statements are these?

    1. agree
    2. agree
    3. No opinion
    4. Why?
    5. Why?
    6. Why?
    7. agree
    8. disagree
    9. ??
    10. ??
    11. agree
    12. agree
  3. fromtheright

    fromtheright <img src =/2844.JPG>

    Feb 21, 2002
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    I placed number nine right after the India/Pakistan quote because it refers to that subcontinent. It suggests that we can possibly help to defuse that situation by fostering trade between them.

    As to four, five, and six, the purpose being to contain China's push to expand its influence and power in the region and to push us out. They also rest on the proposition that American presence is not ipso facto imperialism but helps to promote stability and protect sea lanes in the region.

    I can certainly understand disagreement over number eight. That situation is especially prickly and dangerous.

    As to number ten, it seems to me self-evident that America tries to do the right, honorable, and fair thing for the most part, including helping to expand freedom. I certainly understand and welcome the debate over the practicality and efficacy of using our power, but I think that our efforts are from generally good motives.

    I hope that helps. At least as clear as muddy water?
  4. Turpius

    Turpius New Member

    Jul 6, 2004
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    3.impossible to do, as the French cannot make up their minds about what they want.
    7.agree, also include Japan, Germany, and most other nations that we have a substantial military presence.
  5. billwald

    billwald New Member

    Jun 28, 2000
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    We should pull all troops out of Europe and put them on the Mexican border. Pull the troops out of Korea and use them to inspect shipping containers.
  6. mioque

    mioque New Member

    May 23, 2003
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    1. What are you going to do about it?
    2. That would only make matters worse (Bush urging the EU to accept Turkey as a member lowered it's chanches of getting in)
    3. In 4 years those responsible on both sides of this will be gone and the French/US relation will improve dramatically (unless the citizens on both sides decide they would prefer to let it fester on.)
    4. Agree (against what conventional enemy by the way?)
    5. Agree
    6. Not untill it is technologically possible.
    7. Agree (would be better for South-Korea)
    8. disagree
    9. Agree (it worked with the EU after all)
    10. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] (no comment [​IMG] )
    11. Agree ("If not, we should formally reject the UN's authority over our war on terror." Isn't this last bit already the case?)
    12. Agree
  7. Pennsylvania Jim

    Pennsylvania Jim New Member

    Oct 8, 2000
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    1. Agree
    2. I suppose.
    3. Agree...for France and all other nations.
    4. Disagree
    5. Now that we've dismantled our factories and set them up in China that may no longer be posible.
    6. Disagree
    7. Agree
    8. We take orders from Pakistan
    9. Disagree
    10. They used to
    11. We should kick the UN out of the US and have nothing to do with them.
    12. Agree
  8. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
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    May 23, 2002
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    FTR, I go all the way down the line with you. I think that you have listed the direction in which US foreign policy should go. I think that there is a point to be made that America's future lies in the Pacific region.