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Do you believe in the 5 fold ministries?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by TaliOrlando, Sep 15, 2006.

  1. TaliOrlando

    TaliOrlando New Member

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    5-fold ministry???

    Pastor

    Teacher,

    Prophet,

    Evangelist/Missionary

    Apostle
     
  2. EdSutton

    EdSutton New Member

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    Missing a few?

    Like at least 15 other spiritual gifts?

    I think this has been 'answered' at least in part, in your thrread on titles, If I'm not mistaken.

    Ed
     
  3. TaliOrlando

    TaliOrlando New Member

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    Hello Brother Ed!!! :wavey: I have a question, why do some churches state that its necesarry to have these 5 gifts in a church for it to function properly? Thanks and have a good day!!!
     
  4. EdSutton

    EdSutton New Member

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    I have not the first clue as to the answer to your question. Sorry I can't help you on that one!
    And you're still welcome, and you have a good day, as well! :thumbsup: :wavey:

    Ed
     
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  5. billwald

    billwald New Member

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    Strange use of "believe in." What is metaphysical about church offices?
     
  6. richard n koustas

    richard n koustas New Member

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    This is something I posted on another board a few years ago re: 5-fold ministry:


    A recent speaker at our church used the term `5-fold ministry of
    the
    church'. Being unfamiliar with the term, I googled it. The
    first
    hit was for some seminar promoting it, the second hit was to a site
    that claimed the whole idea mostly bunk...

    Apparently, the `5-fold ministry' is taken from the following
    passage:

    "...and *he* has given some apostles, and some prophets, and some
    evangelists, and some shepherds and teachers, for the perfecting of
    the saints; with a view to [the] work of [the] ministry, with a view
    to the edifying of the body of Christ; until we all arrive at the
    unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, at [the]
    full-grown man, at [the] measure of the stature of the fulness of the
    Christ;" – Eph. 4:11-13.

    apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, teachers. The argument
    against the 5-fold ministry, in brief, is that apostles and prophets
    are no longer.
     
  7. richard n koustas

    richard n koustas New Member

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    I forgot to answer the question in the OP: NO all prophets and apostles are dead.
     
  8. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

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    I have posted, on at least 2 threads in this forum (!) much information on this movement. And it is a movement - a cultic movement associated with the Kansas City Prophets, Latter Rain, Dominion, Joel's Army, Kingdom Now, Third Wave, and Manifest Sons of God movements.

    They teach that a church must restore these 5 offices. They teach that newer revelation supersedes the Bible. They are into mystical stuff. They teach we must establish the kingdom so that Jesus can come back.

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/nextgnostic.htm

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/Wagner-conference.htm

    http://www.answers.com/topic/kansas-city-prophets

    http://www.answers.com/topic/five-fold-ministry-1

    http://www.intotruth.org/res/theglory.html
     
  9. Link

    Link New Member

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    I believe in Ephesians 4:11 ministries (one might say four-fold.)

    I would associate 'missionary' closely with apostle, though. It depends on the kind of missionary.

    I don't think every individual church has to have an apostle. Paul was a translocal apostle.

    I think we make a mistake if we associate these offices with 'clergy' and just add more offices to clergy. A lot of prophets sit in pews and aren't allowed to funciton because churches have sermon-centered meetings where the preacher does most of the talking instead of the type of meetings we are told to have in I Corinthians 14.
     
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