Do you Love YHVH?

If you claim circumcision is about oral law, you're being totally dishonest:

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying:
‘When a woman gives birth and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean for seven days, as in the days of her menstruation she shall be unclean. On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Then she shall remain in the blood of her purification for thirty-three days; she shall not touch any consecrated thing, nor enter the sanctuary until the days of her purification are completed. [Leviticus 12:1-4].

Incidentally, if there are women in your life, do they hold to this unclean and purification?

 

"This time around?" lol

Hebrews speaks of many things, and it specifically warns Hebrews not to remain under the Law, as Paul often does in his writings:

I have given you several passages that state just that, so, until you're ready to address those passages, there is not much I can do to help.

Okay.

I would agree some go to the extreme and overlook both our ability and responsibility to be in obedience to God, however, we have to consider that Christians are going through a growth process, and not all are going to be obedient perfectly.

This is why John uses terms like little children, young men, and fathers. This is why Paul uses the term "babes."

I would suggest to you that is it highly unlikely that babes in Christ are even aware of much they are to be in obedience to, much less have the ability to carry it out.

Well, you see, you just bore false witness against me, because I do not have a view that the Law is both good and bad, so where does that leave you Jason? You just broke the Law of God.

So what Religion are you, exactly. You seem here to deny that you belong to the Church.

Obedience to the principles taught in the Law are indeed always good, but, if you follow the Law, and offer up sacrifice for sin, then you will have violated New Covenant principles. And I clarify I mean offering up sacrifice for the purpose it was from Abel to the last legitimate sacrifice before the Cross.

Its a catch 22, my friend, you cannot do both.

The issue is understanding that the provision of the Old Testament was a temporal and temporary provision, such as animal sacrifice for temporary remission as opposed to the Sacrifice of Christ for Eternal Redemption and Remission, and manna in the Wilderness as opposed to the Bread of Life (Christ). We see significance in the Covenants established in the differing Eras, and if we do not distinguish the differences (i.e., the Abrahamic Covenant was not the Mosaic, the Mosaic is not the New) we will have a Theology that does not represent the revelation God has given us in this Age.


God bless.

 

Well, "easy" seldom accomplishes anything worthwhile. It is not easy to understand the many things that have to be considered, and it is going to take work on your part.

Okay, so show me why.

And you feel I do not do that? You are noticing that I am providing Scripture to support my proposals, right?

So does this mean you feel you need to reprove me? I am okay with that, but, could you address the Scripture as well?

I agree.


God bless.

 

And with this I return you to your regularly scheduled thread, lol.

I have given you numerous passages which show beyond doubt that "salvation" is not always the same.

The disciples, for example, were "saved" in an eternal sense (meaning, with the exception of Judas, their eternal destiny was secure). but, they still had to offer up sacrifice for sin until Christ died. So in that day, yes, the feasts were still mandatory, according to the Law. But, you will see no directive, command, or exhortation to Christians to partake or observe Passover.

So I wish you well, Jason, as you continue to work this out. If you decide you would like to address the Scripture and points made thus far, let me know.

But as for me, I'm running late, and have to get going.


God bless.

 

Yes or No: if you are circumcised, according to the law, are you a debtor to the whole law?

 

So the Sacrifice of Christ was for the lost sheep of Israel only?

Christ ministered to the lost sheep of Israel only...only in His fulfilling of His role as the Promised Messiah. This is a distinct Ministry from His Role as Savior of the World.

To think that To think He came only for the lost sheep of Israel begs a few questions:

1. Has God reneged on His promise in the Abrahamic Covenant (that all families of the earth would be blessed through Abraham);

2. Why has Israel been blinded?


Consider:


Isaiah 42:5-7
King James Version (KJV)

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.


The Covenant of Law was established with Israel, not the world. Provision for Gentiles has always been in place, but, we see above Christ's ministry towards Gentiles, which we do not see in regards to His Ministry in Israel.

Christ was made under the Law, and ministered in the Law, and again I would point out that these distinctions will make or break your understanding of Scripture.

What religion are you, Jason?


God bless.

 

Have you been born again, born from above, born of the Spirit, born of God?


God bless.

 

It's pretty obvious, Jason, that you have no desire for discussion or debate, but want to preach your religion to others. And while I don't have a problem with people doing so, even when it is a faith so distinct from Christianity, I don't really have an interest in participating in a thread where I am talked at instead of talked to.

It is also pretty obvious you are not reading the responses to your proposals, for at no time have I said "Israel would be a light to the nations," what I posted was the Word of God which made it clear that Christ would be a Covenant for the people and a light unto the Gentiles."

As I said, when you are ready to do the work, and have a discussion, let me know. My only interest is in what the Word of God has to say, not what people have to say about the Word of God.


God bless.

 

What did you do to get saved?

 

Jason you have many excuses just like everyone else.

So if you had the opportunity you would go around killing people for not keeping the Sabbath.
We have others who kill us because we are infidels.

We call them terrorists.

So, if you had the legal opportunity you would kill us sabbath breakers.
After all it is better to obey God than men.

Regardless, break one law one time you are doomed.

John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

HankD

 

NONE of us are worthy in ourselves to be saved, as that is what the death of Christ provided for us, as NONE of us can keep the Law as God demanded, but He did for our sakes!

 

The answer is to do what the Bible declares to do to be saved, and its faith alone Grace alone!

 

I don't need a concordance it might be specific here but in other places it is not.

You cannot do it specifically or generally since both mitzvouth (specific and general) exist in the Torah.

Absolutely!

It is not foolish. The "why" does not matter. God said not to make or possess images of any kind to have in your private possession.

God told Moses to make a ("fiery serpent" Heb. saraph), Moses made a ("brazen serpent" nechosheth).
A saraph is a snake set on fire, a nechosheth is a brass image of a snake.

So if you had the legal opportunity you would kill me if I broke the sabbath?

Exodus 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

When you turn on a light, there is a small fire within the bulb.
When you start a car there is fire in each of the cylinders.
When you use a stove there is fire even in an electric stove things will burn.

If you make the excuse that an electric stove has no fire but you burn something on the sabbath on an electric stove and there is fire you are worthy of death and you are cut off from God with no restoration possible.

One infraction and you are doomed.

Not so with Jesus.

Matthew 11
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

HankD