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Featured Do You See a definite satanic Inluence In Strident Homosexuality?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Dec 27, 2013.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    it says something even better, as paul said that those who were homosexuals/effemiate have been xcleansed by the blood of Jesus, AND stopped their perverted lifestyles as a result!

    1 John 3:8-9
    8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

    there is NO other way to understand this, for John states that one who claims jesus saved them cannot continue to keep on sinning in a homosexual lifedtyle, to keep practicing it, to stay in it , as that would show not really been saved!
     
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    So can we assume that those in the church who judge the homosexuals outside the church are the children of the devil?
     
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    Wow! You ask for scripture to support his position...,

    ...he gives you the scripture that directly supports what he said.....

    ...and you turn it into an indictment against Christians....

    Wow!
     
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    The WOW is that it doesn't support his position because it doesn't say what he keeps saying.

    So I would like to know if all those who keep sinning by judging those homosexuals who are outside the church are the devil's children?
     
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    This is the passage..
    The only way you could believe it doesn't support his position is if you believe practicing homos*xuality is not sinful. Is that what you really believe?
    What about those who keep sinning by judging Taco Bell commercials that are outside the church?

    Are you on a crusade to condemn Christians who condemn homos*xuality? Is that your "ministry"?

    It certainly appears to be.
     
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    I say the same thing to you that I said to Him. Show me where that Scripture you just quoted says
    Yall keep trying to create extra-Biblical requirements that aren't there.

    Wrong again. I spoke to the CHURCH and the CHURCH being acceptive of the normalized heterosexual fornicative and lustful displays in the commercials that I listed.

    I'm on a crusade to love people as Jesus loves them. What sort of ministry do you and so many others appear to be on by always trying to make this sin out to be so much worse than all others to the point that you'll constantly complain about homosexual sin being forced down your throat while you sit and overindulge in displays of heterosexual lust and fornication every day?

    Absolutely crazy. You readily admit that Christians are condemning homosexuals and then feign disdain because you think I'm condemning CHristians who condemn homosexuals.

    If you've got a problem with me just because you think that's what I'm doing, what sort of problem do you think homosexuals have with the Church who you just admitted are doing that?

    It's as though folks in the church have lost the good sense that God has given them. Will have an AMEN party in the pews when it comes to condemning(your word) others, but quick to get indignant when the finger is poined at our own sin.

    Sweet merciful Jesus! What does it take for you people to get that what you seemingly just okayed is NOT a display of a love of Jesus nor of a love of your neighbor as yourself?

    You don't want to feel condemned( again your word). So what under God's blue sky makes you and the rest of the church think that these folks involved in homosexual sin want to feel condemned?

    The church has taken this issue and will talk at these people as though the homosexual sex sin is the ONLY reason they are on the way to hell. Many of you seem to just want to convince them that homosexuality is a sin and that Scripture says it's an abomination andcould care less about the REST of their unforgiven sin and the fact that they are on the way to Hell.

    The incessant overflow of condemnation of PEOPLE over this one sin while seemingly having no concern over the rest of their sin and their eternities wreaks of selfish, wickedness all the way to God's nose.

    So keep attempting to wear them down and maybe you'll convince one that homosexual sex is a sin. The church will have won the argument but the person would still be on the way to hell.

    Love your neighbor as you love YOURSELF!!!
     
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    Simple question...

    can a professing Chrsitian still keep on commited habitual/continual homosexuality without any conviction/changing, and still be really a saved person as per John?
     
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    Simply show me where Scripture says this?
     
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    I noticed this question went unanswered. How about an answer, Zaac?
     
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    John states that of one has been really saved by God, they will have the desire to turn away from their sin, willbe convicted, and will repent/confess when they stumble...

    IF a homosexual says jesus saved me, yet has no evidence of a chang at all in life, how can that be salvation in biblical use?
     
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    Gotta give him time to figure what question(s) to answer with so as to subtely(?) avoid answering the question directed to him!:BangHead:
     
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    seems easy to me...

    is active homosexuality agreeable with one professing to have been saved by Jesus Christ or not?
     
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    Where's the Scripture that says this?

    Does the same apply for greedy people? How about gluttons? How about the immodest dressers?How about the folks who don't love their neighbors as themselves?
     
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    One would think if Scripture says what you keep adding to it, that you'd be able to just quote it. As it stands. you continue to add to it.

    Are active greed and gluttony agreeable with one professing to have been saved by Jesus Christ or not? Again, how about the immodest dressers? Is that agreeable with one professing to havebeen saved by Jesus Christ or not?
     
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    What exactly does "orientation" mean?
     
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    It's a common term for how someone identifies sexually. It's not a sin to be a homosexual anymore than it's a sin to be a heterosexual.

    Choosing to commit certain sexual ACTS is the sin.
     
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    Help me a little bit more. What does "how someone identifies se*ually" mean?

    You say that "to be a homose*ual" is not a sin.

    Earlier you stated that all sin is unnatural, and that God's perfect creation was "natural".

    So, are you saying that "being a homose*ual" is a natural condition (just like being heterose*ual) and homose*uality is part of God's perfect creation?
     
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    It means they identify as gay or straight.

    It's not. God speaks to specific acts as the sin. He NEVER says that identifying as someone who is attracted to the same sex is a sin any more than He identifies being attracted to the opposite sex as sinful. He ALWAYS speaks to specific acts as sinful.

    Depends on what you're defining "being homosexual" as. If you're talking about someone who has sex with someone of the same sex, then it ABSOLUTELY is not natural.

    But if you're talking about someone simply having an attraction, God created man and woman with an attraction for each other that was more than just a desire to have sex. So people's attraction to other things in other people's personalities have always been there.

    Kids are attracted to kids they have stuff in common with. That's why so often you see lots of little girls who the majority of their friends are other little girls and not those disgusting boys. And likewise the boys befriend other boys and not those icky little girls because they are attracted to the things they have in common.

    Attraction that doesn't involve sinful lust is natural.
     
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    That is FALSE....

    This member is talking out of the side of his spiritual mouth!

    1) Sin is not unnatural. Sin is sin! However, the Scripture refers to homose@uls and their se@ual sin as UNNATRUAL!

    2) While being a homose@ual may not be a sin, in how they look at sin and God; a believer can't, say with a straight face, that homose#uality is not a sin! And that it isn't UNNATURAL, because God, through his word contradicts such silliness!

    3) This particular member is speaking heresy regarding what is and isn't sin; and what is and isn't unnatural! He appears to be a permanent fixture, on this board for one purpose, and that is to imply that that Baptists are hateful, hypocrites, with a goal to crucify all homose#uals!

    I have to wonder what his real motives are? And it is well past time that the moderators look closely into his heresy, and consider not allowing him to post in the Baptist Discussion Groups! There is no way a true Baptist could believe and spout the things this member does, from day-to-day, post-to-post!

    His way of looking at this unnatural sin is exactly why other denominations are accepting homose#uals into their congregations, ordaining them, and permitting them to have a voice within the body! This is nothing less than the present-day emergent theology that is sweeping our land, and this member appears to be trolling the board, looking for Baptists to devour and destroy by guilt that is rooted, not in Scripture, but human ideology!
     
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