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Does a Sinner Have to Do Anything to Be Saved?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Saved-By-Grace, Nov 30, 2017.

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  1. Saved-By-Grace

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    There are some who are teaching a false view on salvation, that is based on their theological bias, and has nothing to do with the teachings found in the Holy Bible, which should be our final Authority on all matters.

    It is argued, that the sinner has nothing that they have "to do", to be saved. It is wrongly supposed, that, for anyone to "do" anything, it is the same as "working for their salvation". This, of course is complete nonsense, and is refuted by many passages from Scripture, from which I have provided a few examples. It is also falsely argued, that the sinner does not even need to "repent" of their sins, BEFORE they can be saved, and that "regeneration" is not the same as "salvation". These teachings are in direct opposition with what the Holy Bible teaches, and no doubt the work of the enemy, who has deceived some into a "false gospel", leading to a "false salvation".

    It is very clear to those who seek to know the truth as taught in the Bible, that the first sermon preached by Peter, on the Day of Pentecost, resulted in many "turning" from their sins, to the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. After Peter had finished preaching, we are told that the people were "cut to the heart" (Acts 2:37), which is being "convicted" by the preaching under the power of God the Holy Spirit. These people who were "convicted", said to Peter, "what shall we DO?", which is an "action". Peter replied, that they should "REPENT", in the first place, and then after this, to get "baptized" (2:38). In the following chapter, we read, "REPENT therefore and be converted, for the blotting out of your sins" (3:19). It is clear that REPENTANCE leads to "forgiveness of sins". This is also clearly taught by Jesus Christ, where we read in Luke 13:-1-5, that, "unless you REPENT, you will all likewise perish". Again, before His Ascension, the Lord commanded His Disciples, that "REPENTANCE for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.”. Some again wrongly hold that "repentance" is no more than "changing one's mind" on their view of Jesus Christ, and does not involve any notion of "sorrow of personal sins". Scripture is very clear that this is not true!

    In the account of the Rich Young Ruler, we read,

    “And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I DO that I may obtain eternal life?”” (Matthew 19:16)

    If what this person said to Jesus was "theologically wrong", as some suppose, do you not think that Jesus would have corrected him? Surely He would have said, there is nothing that you need to DO. But, this is not the case!

    A very good example can be found in the Book of Jonah, which is one of the best accounts in the Bible on Evangelism, and the Greatness of God's Love and Mercy. Here is a nation that is very sinful and wicked, and great enemies of the Jews, which is the main reason why Jonah sis not want to take the Gospel Message to them. They were not even the "elect" of God, which was the Nation Israel. And, YET, God, Who is RICH in MERCY (unlike some today!) sent is Prophet to warn them of the coming punishment, IF they did not "REPENT", and turn to the Lord for His Mercy and forgiveness! When Jonah finally did give them the Gospel Message, the reaction of these people is truly wonderful.

    "Then the people of Nineveh believed in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them. When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, laid aside his robe from him, covered himself with sackcloth and sat on the ashes. He issued a proclamation and it said, “In Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let man, beast, herd, or flock taste a thing. Do not let them eat or drink water. But both man and beast must be covered with sackcloth; and let men call on God earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which is in his hands. Who knows, God may turn and relent and withdraw His burning anger so that we will not perish.”When God saw their deeds, that they turned (repented) from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.” (Jonah 3:5-10)

    It is important to note, that it says, "God saw their DEEDS", or, as some versions read, "WORK". But, this is NOT the "work to earn" that is being referred to here. Rather, as it goes on to say, "that they turned from their wicked way", that is, "REPENTED", which the Bible very clearly calls here, a WORK! This is very clearly in connection with salvation from sins. Some have sought to "get around" this account, by suggesting that it has nothing to do with "salvation", but only showing God's kindness and care for this nation! WOW, what depths some sink to to disregard the Word of God"!

    I will give a couple more examples from Scripture, which is very clear that ALL sinners must DO something to get saved, which is to REPENT and BELIEVE, which is what Jesus says in Mark 1:15.

    ““Now, therefore,” says the Lord, “Turn to Me with all your heart (repent), With fasting, with weeping, and with mourning.” So rend your heart, and not your garments; Return to the Lord your God, For He is gracious and merciful, Slow to anger, and of great kindness; And He relents from doing harm. Who knows if He will turn and relent, And leave a blessing behind Him” (Joel 2:12-14)

    “ But if a wicked man turns from all his sins (repents) which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?(repents)... Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness (repents) which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive.” (Ezekiel 18:21-23, 27)

    Can ANY honest, unbiased, believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, deny, in the face of such Bible Testimony, that REPENTANCE and FAITH, are pre-requirements for ALL sinners who want salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ? We must not forget, that without the working of the Holy Spirit in the heart of the sinner, before they are saved, where He convicts them of their sins, and points them to the Lord Jesus Christ, as their personal Saviour. As we read in John 16:

    “But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged." (5-11)

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    I've taught a few Sunday morning classes on Matthew recently, repentance was a key topic.

    I find it interesting that both the 'saved' and 'unsaved' can repent.
    In Matthew's Gospel the call to repentance in the narrative section (chapters 3 and 4) is reiterated in the discourse, Sermon on the Mount (7:13-28).
    There are two ways - make a choice!

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    what do you mean by, "both the 'saved' and 'unsaved' can repent"?
     
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    Those from Nineveh repented but failed to receive an eternal reward - their deliverance was temporal for they were eventually judged by God with terrible vengeance.

    Desolation, decimation, devastation!
    Hearts melt,
    knees tremble,
    insides churn,
    every face grows pale!
    Nahum 2:10 (CSB)​

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    Naham was written anywhere from 135 to 175 years after Jonah. The people who believed Jonah's preaching were long dead by Naham's time.
     
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    All praise be to Him, Christ saved me.
     
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    Their judgement was 100 years later. surely you don't think that the same people whom God saved through Jonah, were still living then?
     
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    Indeed, interesting that these people whom God saved, were neither Jewish or the "elect"! Yet, God is very merciful. Something for our "reformed" and "Calvinistic" friends to learn from! :Biggrin
     
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    He saved me when I hated Him. He saved me when I needed saving. He saved me, period.

    Why do Arminians say, "Jesus saved me", when that's not what they really mean?
     
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    now you speak nonsense!
     
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    What exactly do you mean?

    Am I a fool in this way?: "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

    Or, am I a fool in this way?: but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Or this?: For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
     
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    So the Bible Study teacher got it wrong?!?
     
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    meaning exactly what? I have already shown elsewhere, that Jesus also died for Judas, and since he was certainly not "saved", where does this leave "the doctrines of grace"? What of "election" and limited atonement"? You cannot get away from the fact of Jesus' death that included Judas, which Luke in his Gospel informs us! I wait for anyone to deal with this, but thus far it is left, because there is NO honest reply that can go against this fact!
     
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    If you build an entire doctrine on one verse, you are bound to end up with some crazy ideas.
     
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    Well, the fact remains that Nineveh was not destroyed till well over 100 years after Jonah's Message of salvation to the people of his time, who repented and were saved! As all teachers are human, they can and do err!
     
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    Is THAT the best you can do? So, you dismiss what the Holy Bible very clearly says, because it does not fit your theology! Wow, when will people learn to trust the Bible first, even if it means changing "theology", or as Jesus put is, "doctrines of men"!
     
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    There is only ONE verse in the entire Bible, that says the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:4), do we ignore its teaching because it is the only reference? Your reasoning is warped!
     
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    There are zero verses that say He's not God.

    However, there are countless texts with explicitly and implicitly tell us that God chooses whom He will save.
     
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    You still have to deal with the account of Judas, and if you honestly want to know what the Bible teaches, rather than pet theology, then you should really, prayerfully, examine this, and if need be, be big enough to change your theology! I have no problems in being shown that I am wrong in my doctrine, and open to change, providing it is from the Word of God. Dismissing it because it is not answerable to you liking, is self-deception!
     
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    Can anyone freely choose Christ?
     
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