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Does a Sinner Have to Do Anything to Be Saved?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Saved-By-Grace, Nov 30, 2017.

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  1. Aaron

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    Here we go again.

    Is a tree an apple tree because it bears apples, or does it bear apples because it is an apple tree?

    One can't gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles, and a tree cannot make its own root whole.

    Like a newborn taking its first breath, it breathes because it is alive. So repentance is work of faith, and faith is the first fruit of the new birth.

    ". . . and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God."
     
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    not so, it is "salvation" which is the main point in this Ephesians passage that it is "gift" of God, and not faith, which is used by some , purely on theological grounds! "By grace your have been SAVED, because of faith".

    Dr A T Robertson, Greek scholar:

    "For by grace (têi gar chariti). Explanatory reason. "By the grace" already mentioned in verse Eph 2:5 and so with the article. Through faith (dia pisteôs). This phrase he adds in repeating what he said in verse Eph 2:5 to make it plainer. "Grace" is God's part, "faith" ours. And that (kai touto). Neuter, not feminine tautê, and so refers not to pistis (feminine) or to charis (feminine also), but to the act of being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part. Paul shows that salvation does not have its source (ex humôn, out of you) in men, but from God. Besides, it is God's gift (dôron) and not the result of our work."
     
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    Typical Semi-Pilagian deflection away from the topic they can't refute. How sad.
     
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    :Roflmao
     
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    Yep. Running away again. Make a false accusation then run away and hide. How utterly sad.
     
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    How can anyone interact with a "know-all"?
     
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    I don't know it all. I have never claimed to know it all. That is just another deflection to keep from answering questions you can't answer and to avoid the scripture I have posted that proves Salvation is of the Lord and not of man.
     
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    Does a Sinner Have to Do Anything to Be Saved?

    Yes, be in the right place at the right time.

    HankD
     
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    This is great.

    The poster starts by attempting to refute faith is a gift. He uses A. T. Robertson statement of Ephesians 2 as proof.
    "Paul shows that salvation does not have its source (ex humôn, out of you) in men, but from God. Besides, it is God's gift (dôron) and not the result of our work." ​

    The obvious question oozes:
    Is the "grace" to believe also the "power" to believe?​

    Does not God give BOTH?

    The central question of interpreting Ephesians is not to attempt to limit the gift as ONLY, but to see the gift in the whole.

    God gives the authority, the power, the right, the unction to believe just as John 1 states of those that do not turn from the light.

    There is no universal human ability that can attain God's attention such that HE does first bestow upon the individual.

    HE ALONE is the AUTHOR and the FINISHER of faith. (Hebrews 12)
     
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    That's bull poop.

    One more time.

    Men do not gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles, and a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit.
     
    #70 Aaron, Dec 2, 2017
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    As the OP is now banned, this thread is closed.
     
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