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Does God ever permit divorce?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by sanderson1769, Apr 28, 2006.

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  1. paidagogos

    paidagogos Active Member

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    No, I rebuked you. Stop your whining. I am not a hypocrite as you seem to be insinuating.
    1. I never singled you or anyone out by name but you have exposed your own self.
    2. I did not attack or degrade your character or person. I rightly criticized bad behavior and you lashed back at me.
    3. My post was entirely within the bounds of good taste.
    4. I dealt with behavior and reasoned from sound righteous principles.
    5. Rebuke of wrong behavior is Biblical and right.
    6. There were no personal attacks or ridicule.

    Furthermore, you are flat wrong in your scurrilous charge against me. I have exceeded no proper bounds of decorum and I have violated no Scriptural principle. However, I am thoroughly disgusted and put off by whining and sniveling. Whenever one does wrong and is rebuked by another, the knee jerk reaction is find fault with the one who did the rebuking. BTW, rebuke is a Scriptural obligation (Luke 17). Shame on you for trying to vilify me for an honest criticism of poor un-Christian behavior. There was nothing Christ-like in the attacks and abuse heaped upon Mr. Sanderson. I am sure that he was not edified, if he read the posts, because the people attacking him were demonstrating worse behavior

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  2. paidagogos

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    bash - attack verbally, criticize, censure, to find fault with, condemn (see Matt. 7)

    rebuke - reprimand, reprove
    1Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
    2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
    Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
    Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
    Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
     
  3. Brother Bob

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    This seems to be getting hot enough that I probably will be allowed in here. I don't hardly know where to go anymore without being accused of being rude and disrespectful but I will try this one and see what happens.

    Matthew, chapter 5

    "32": But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

    If the Lord had of left out the word saving I would have agreed with you. I must say that we are among the strictest on this subject that I know of and have wrestled with it for years. There have been splits, people leaving, not able to take some in and I have looked for an answer that would give me a right for all but I have to live by what the Lord said and He did give me one cause and I for one use it.

    BBob
     
  4. paidagogos

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    Brother Bob, I am right with you on this one. I cannot get past the exception clause. I too have wrestled with it. I want to take the strongest position possible but I don't want it to be my own idea or tradition. This is a tough one.
     
  5. Brother Bob

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    rjprince;
    I must say you did a good research on the subject and concerning members you started off as God condemning almost every case except the reason Jesus give but at the end you seem to give in to pressure from society (maybe) and loosened your stance on almost every case.

    Romans, chapter 7

    "3": So then if, while her husband liveth, she be'> married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

    1 Corinthians, chapter 7

    "39": The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

    1 Corinthians, chapter 6
    "16": What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

    Matthew, chapter 16

    "19": And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
    And I am one who has searched for years trying to justify marriage in the plural. I also do not see a difference when it comes to adultery for a worldly person or a Christian except for the Scriptures you quoted when the unbeliever wishes to depart but I don't think that set the man free to marry.

    Now concerning the leaders.


    Romans, chapter 7

    "4": Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    Christ was the leader of all leaders and this Scripture was talking about being married to Him even though they were married to the Law.

    This is the hardest thing to deal with in the entire church. We want to do what is right. We have a tendency to lean towards the flesh, but we have to be careful not to go too far. God help us to make the right decision.
     
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  7. paidagogos

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]Proverbs 15:21 Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly.
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    Paidagogos,

    do you not think that my post as many others were a rebuke to mr sanderson, who never seems to want to answer to comments or questions by others?

    I did nothing wrong, nor did many on here. And yes, we are commanded to rebuke, reprove, exhort with all longsuffering.

    It might be looked at differently if mr anderson were just posting these posts on this board, but he is on at least 3 other boards posting these same boards and never answers to any of them.

    I stand by what God has revealed to me through His Spirit. Mr Anderson's posts reveal a cultish teaching and preaching. 'I am right and you are wrong' preaching is not of God. We are to preach the Word of God with Love toward mankind. Mr Anderson's messages are far from love.
     
  9. paidagogos

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    Sanderson is calling Jesus a liar then. For in Matthew 5:32, Jesus shows a woman can be put away because of fornication. Sanderson is putting his word and his belief over Jesus Christ. </font>[/QUOTE]No, you have no grounds for this extreme statement. It is just that Sanderson does not agree with your interpretation of Matt. 19:9. He is not disbelieving Christ or calling Him a liar. This is your own spin added to Sanderson's post. Even though you may disagree, let's be fair, honest and above board in our debate. Sanderson did not in any way call Christ a liar. You have misrepresented Sanderson's position.
     
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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]Proverbs 15:21 Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly.
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    </font>[/QUOTE]Proverbs 13:16 "Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly."
     
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    If one preaches contrary to the Word of God, that one is as much as calling the Word of God a lie
     
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    Based on you reasoning let me ask the question: does God ever permit sin?

    If then he divorced Peter, Moses, David and Paul.

    Furthermore you do not understand divorce. In the book of James he calls the readers sdulteresses. Do some mroe home work and you will discover that divorce far more than covers the dissoultion of marriage?

    Leet me simply end this by saying does God divorce anyone before they have divorced Him?

    Was David a man of God? Was Moses a muderer? Was Paul an executer of Christians? Did Peter cut off a man's ear.
     
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    Anyonme have their title listed similarly like he does as Pastor Steven L Anderson. I do not know of any humble gentleman who would be so proud to have theur name listed the way he does.
     
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    He does not know God is personal and the Bible is inspired by that same personal God. Listen to him when he prays "God I pray that you would use the word of God..." at the beginning of the television sermon.
     
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    That preacher forgot in his TV sermon that young peope would rather spend their time on the internet than watch TV. Yet, he is in the internet with his sermons. The internet is full of millions of pornographic websites. That preacher uses the same technology as the pornographers do. According to his reasoning we should not have the internet.

    I wonder when he will preach against what he supports by the way he buys gas at the local gas station.
     
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    Once again, this poster takes it to the extreme!
    </font>[/QUOTE]It's called "hyper-Sandersonism" :D
    </font>[/QUOTE]Now that is just plain funny. [​IMG]

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    No, I rebuked you. Stop your whining. I am not a hypocrite as you seem to be insinuating.</font>[/QUOTE]Honest question: Was it a Biblical rebuke? Did you go one on one to your brothers and sisters in private and try to restore them...or were you simply trying to get your rebuke on the record? Of course, now, one would probably have to turn around and ask me the same question. I guess all of us are at least a little bit of a hypocrite every now and then.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    LOL, Joseph.

    True, but funny.
     
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    That said, I rebuke all who would rebuke me. lol
     
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    I just saw where this same topic was closed on another board until Mr Anderson chats with the mods. That makes twice this topic was closed down due to spamming or trolling. Posting in the thread without willingness to hear other's views.
     
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