Does God hate the Sinner?

The topic is not what hell is a matter of. The topic is whether God loves all. That topic is not contingent upon what hell is a matter of.

You're presuming God's elect with God's loved. From the Calvinistic POV, all are God's loved, but not all are God's elect. Again, a separate topic from this one.

I think you know what I meant. I wasn't arguing Hell's nature.

Again, "hate" does not equal "withhonding love". When Ps5 and 11 talk about hating the wicked, it does not say God withholds His love from them.

 

I don't believe God hates any of us. Disappointed comes more to my mind, along with hurt and angry; but not hate. I feel he hates sin in all forms though. There's also no difference when it comes to sin. In his eyes it's all equally bad.

 

If by this you mean that God hating the wicked doesn't mean He doesn't love them, I agree. God does love the wicked in one sense and hates them in another.

I still would say God witholds His saving love from those who reject Him. I am not a Calvinist and I don't believe He witholds His love unconditionally.

I do believe He only imparts His saving love to those who trust Him. That is why the Scriptures reserve the term "beloved" for God's elect.

Mark Osgatharp

 

Jesus said,

"thou shalt be thrust down to hell."

And He said to fear Him who has power,

"to destroy body and soul in hell."

Yes, God definately plays and active role in the damning of the wicked. That is not to say He desires their damnation, but that He will accomplish it if they go on perpetually in their unbelief.

Mark Osgatharp

 

James, I think we heard it because it was one way too e3xplain that the Bible says God hates the sinner and it also states that God loves the sinner. So someone came up with this saying...God hates the sin but loves the sinner. Now let me ask you is that impossible to do?
If you had a son who committed horriable crimes, murder or whatever. YOu still love the son but can detest his acts.
Just a thought.

 

Then according to you God is a murderer!

 

Also left out the love that HE gave His only son. Nothing like telling half the story. God made a way out of love for mad to escape judgement. Not in accordance with your calvinistic theology but still biblical no matter how much you love the game twister.

 

Then he hates everyone of us, right? Even believers sin, it's our nature. I sinned today. I can't think off hand what I did, but sometime during my work day my conduct and talk fell short of God's standard. I'm not proud of it at all, it hurts me and hurts our Father even more. But I confess it and try to do better. I know he loves me though. Lets not confuse sin with unbelief.

 

Amen, preach it!!!

 

Salvation does not mean we're not sinners anymore. We're sinners until we die.

 

Doesn't matter, as far as this topic. If God hates the sinner, he hates the sinner, regardless of one's salvation.

 

No one disputes that. If God hates sinners, he doesn't hate the saved sinner any less than the lost sinner. The cross works to save us from Hell, but if God hates sinners, then the cross doesn't save us from his hatred.