Does God have libertarian free will?

The answer to that last question is this question.


Did God have to create?

 

Then you declare God's choice to create irrelevent?

It seems that with an eternal being, any choice is morally praiseworthy. It is through the creation that the world we live on was set aside to be the battleground between good and evil. Did God know that before he created? Yep! He planned for it!

So God's choice to create is most definitely morally praiseworthy! And, Yes he did and does have the very real option and choice, the choices are His alone, as is the whole of Creation over which he alone has dominion. Therefore the answer is definitely Yes, God did have to create in order to demonstrate his holy power over evil!

 

Well, if what the Arminian means by "choice REAL option" is libertarian free will, then a Calvinist would say no.
</font>[/QUOTE]"Again" your attempts to evaluate the mind of God as in "being God to know how he thinks" is not serving your argument.

God could send Christ on Tuesday or Wednesday - but sends Him on Tuesday - DID HE HAVE THE CHOICE of sending Christ on Wednesday??

The OBVIOUS answer is YES! (Calvinist or Arminian -- unless the Calvinists are volunteering to jump down a deeeep hole on this one as well).

God has free will - CHOICE EVEN though He KNOWS the future.

So unless you can SHOW that Calvinism utterly fails on this one -- the point remains.

The ploy of hiding behind the idea of God not sinning as "proof" that He has no free will does not even BEGIN to solve the huge problem that you propose for God by saying He does not have free will since HE has foreknowledge.

Once you admit that HE DOES have free will - you explode your own arguments against the Arminian view.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Sin and temptation REQUIRE ignorance and a motivation to contradict the character and will of God.

Your circular argument that God is not tempted - (does not sin) as "PROOF" that He does not have free will, is the pointless argument that "God is not ignorant so He WILL never choose to make a stupid mistake".

That kind of logic is not the basis for "Free will" - for or against it. The fact that God is not stupid does not make your case or mine.

The ONLY leg Calvinism ever had to stand on for this subject was the foreknowledge of God- a fact that BOTH Calvinists and Arminians could agree with. And the END of their ability to stand on that leg comes when they admit that God has CHOICES.

In Christ,

Bob

 

A. W. Tozer said what I believe this way.

Therefore. It seems to me that "libertarian" is not an apt word to describe anything pertaining to God, especially God's decision making. When one is HOLY to the nth degree, one's choices must likewise be HOLY to the nth degree! That rules out gutteral choices by one of Lofty Holiness!

 

Since HOLY is the way God is, he chooses and Acts freely in His Holiness!

That is fitting in light of what the Calvinist would have us believe about the total depravity of man and man's resultant inability to choose anything outside of his "nature". Of course that is not what scriptures say about man, as we see in 1 Peter,

A.W. Tozer expounds on that too

Both Peter and Tozer say one must have knowledge in the brain for the Spirit of God to illuminate for the human spirit in order to spawn faith in God and thus be regenerated!

 

"Again" your attempts to evaluate the mind of God as in "being God to know how he thinks" is not serving your argument."

Still waiting for something to respond to...

You have indeed given the non-response you claim to give - because you are ducking the point.

God DID have the choice of Wednesday even though your Calvinist ramblings make you say that God CAN ONLY CHOOSE Tuesday and HAD NO CHOICE for any other day.

Your Calvinism has forced you to put God in a box -- a tuesday-box in this case.

And that should serve as a huge red flag to any thinking person reading your logic so far.

You are right about one thing. That was "non-response #2 from you".

Bob Said
"Sin and temptation REQUIRE ignorance and a motivation to contradict the character and will of God."

I am not the one that tried to drag in this silly idea of "God not sinning" or "not tempted" as some kind of "proof" that God does not have free will -- so don't blame me for pointing out the obvious fact that those who resort to that ploy are making a silly argument about God "not contradicting Himself" as IF that proves He does not have Free Will.

As has "already been pointed out" your question about God contradicting Himself is a nonsequitter for this thread since the fact that HE DOES NOT contradict Himself DOES NOTHING to answer the question about God having Free will.

I am simply pointint out - that obvious fact.

Wrong again.

I point that He will can not be TEMPTED to SIN because sin requires IGNORANCE. I also point out "repeatedly" that this has NOTHING to do with the discussion on CHOICE or REAL options.

(Again - the obvious).


Which is why I offer the TUESDAY-Wednesday scenario for the second coming as a BETTER case for evaluating CHOICE and REAL options.

Your idea that ALL God's choices stem from moral issues DOES not BEGIN to address the zillions of CHOICES inside a morally perfect realm. So I offer the Tuesday Wednesday example as one out of zillions.

In Christ,

Bob