Does 'Non-Calvinisitic' theology really exalt the view of man?

How about you and DHK?

Unless I misunderstand your positions, dont both of you hold than man can respond still to the Gospel , have act of faith apart from ANY extra work of God such as irresisitable/prevenient grace from God?

 

You have been told repeatedly by each of them what you state is not true! This is paramount to lying! Repent!

 

Great OP! Well thought out and clearly demonstrates the issue at hand. It's too bad that the Calvinists around here can only resort to childish remarks in return.

 

I agree with the OP. The non-Calvinist view shows a loving God, a loving parent, if you will, who loves his children enough to allow them to make choices.

In the Calvinist view there is no glory to God in a person being a good Christian and in doing that which is good as he/she was predestined to do so.

In the non-Calvinist there is glory to God because that child of his chooses to glorify his heavenly Father by being a good Christian and doing that which is good.

Is there any generosity if you giving me a gift if I force you to give me the gift? I do not think so.

There is generosity in a gift given by the givers own freewill.

 

I'd be interested to hear what a non-cal prays for when you pray for someone you know to come to Christ. Do you pray that God would save them, or simply that God would put people in their life to share the gospel with them and situations that will point them toward him?

 

Both affirm that the Gospel ALONE is able to be used by God to save sinners, that it has power in it to do that!

neither adhere to us being "spiritually deasd' and needing external Grace applied by god along with the Gospel message...

Why am i Lying?

 

All of the above.

It is God who saves when they turn and choose Him through their own freewill.

 

Calvinist tend to promote Calvinism more than they do God or God's glory.

If someone poses a disagreement with a Calvinist here, they are inundated with confessions, creeds and the opinions of long dead writers or preachers. Of course bible verses are abundant, but the focus is on what other Calvinists say rather than how a particular verse fits in with the totality of scripture.

 

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Strange, because DoG exault God, as the principles of Calvinism show us that it ALL due to the Grace of God in the Cross, to His Glory!

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Actually, we tend to use the Bible to support the doctrines of Calvinism in Sotierology, as we find them all contained in word of God!

And we quote famous theologians and pastors here on the BB a lot of times as frankly, the "more scholarly" ones tend to be believers in the DoG!

 

-So to be clear, you would pray that God actually change their attitude toward the Gospel from one of resistance to one of acceptance? Because if God did that, he would be overriding their free will.
...So if I understand it right, an Arminian should logically pray something like. "God, please use people and circumstances and your word to point this person to their need for the Gospel, but I know you have given him free will and have chosen not to override that."
...whereas a Calvinist could pray something like, "God, get him! He hates you right now, but I know you can break his will and turn him right around so he loves you and loves the cross.

 

probably more like "father, use your HS to open his mind and heart to receive jesus now, If he is one of the chosen of God"

 

What a non-Cal can pray is that God would continue to be patient and longsuffering toward a rebellious person and not give them up as is written in Romans 1, that God would continue to call and exert powerful influence on that person.

 

Personally I pray that God might use my life and words to impact and or influence someone to desire to know more about this "God thing". I am a college educator (mathematics) as I lecture on certain topics it gives me and opportunity to "insert" thoughts and consideration about the God we worship, not "theology" mind you, but implications that the world around us screams the existence of a creator.

 

Laughable.....simply laughable:laugh: