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Does Worship Stop when tbe Music Does?

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by Tom Butler, Aug 29, 2006.

  1. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler New Member

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    I've been a song leader, choir director, minister of music for 53 years (started when I was 15).

    Now we have Ministers of Worship and Worship Pastors. Are they just Ministers of Music dressed up with a fancier title? You Worship Pastors out there, what do you do that's different from what I do?

    If they're essentially the same, do you share the same philosophy I hear expressed periodically. It is that worship basically is the music. The impression I get is that it's only the music. I hear about worship music, leading the worship, etc. It says to me, okay, you can stop worshiping now, it's time for the message. Worship pastors, am I seeing something that's not there?

    I've always looked at the worship service as an entire unit, including the offering and the message. And the message is central to the service, not the music.

    So whadaya think? Does the worship end when the music does? Is the preaching only incidental to worship?

    Release the hounds.
     
  2. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    That almost implies that worship starts when the music does . . .

    ;)

    But, I think we agree.
     
  3. tinytim

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    Music is just a tool to use to worship... so is prayer, meditation, Bible Study, Preaching, etc..

    A Christian should never quit worshipping... Even if there were no music we would still Worship our God for WHO He is... not what He does....but Who He is...

    But thank God for music... it is a gift to us, from Him, that aids in our worship of Him.

    No, Worship doesn't end when the music does, unless you are worshipping music...It doesn't start when music starts either...

    For a Christian, worship is life.
     
  4. davidgunter

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    Amen Brother
     
  5. Sopranette

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    Music as worship

    From a woman's perspective, music sometimes is the only way we can worship out loud. Many of us are not much good at teaching classes, we cannot lead in prayer, we cannot read from the bible to the congregation.
    But preaching from the word of God is the main focus of the service.

    Sopranette
     
  6. SBCPreacher

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    I think music is one way that the church family can worship together, but music, in and of itself, is not worship.

    Worship is responding to an Almighty God who saved us and provides for our every need; an Almighty God who gives us the mercy we don't deserve and withholds the justice that we do deserve.
     
  7. Joshua Rhodes

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    I've been in 4 churches, and been called something different everytime. I am currently a Worship and Youth Pastor, but I can tell you my job is not much different than when I was a Minister of Music (with the exception of teaching the youth three times a week!)
    To succinctly answer your question: No I don't share that philosophy. Music is a part of the service, but is not all-inclusive for worship. The Giving of offerings and tithes, the singing and praising, and the hearing of the Word are all elements of worship. There are others... worship is more than a song.
    No.
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    Indeed. :praying:
     
  8. Timsings

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    There are plenty of churches where women can do the things you've mentioned. Mine is one.

    Tim Reynolds
     
  9. Timsings

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    My in-laws used to be in a church where the preacher believed that worship did not begin until he stood up to preach. And, when he finished, so did the worship.

    I agree with you that worship is involved with all the elements of the service. That even includes the organ prelude which serves many congregations as a time for socializing. This included my church until we juggled our service order to place announcements before the prelude. Now it is a time for the members to prepare themselves for the beginning of worship.

    Perhaps the more important question is whether worship continues after the service is over.

    Tim Reynolds
     
  10. LeBuick

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    Years ago a group of members proposed paying the musician more then they were paying the pastor. They felt this same way, they even stated they came for the music. One kept saying they were saved by music and not by the preaching. Several of the members would leave Church after the Choir quit singing and we prepared for the sermon.

    Sad isn't it?
     
  11. tinytim

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    We do to...
     
  12. LeBuick

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    We have four women preachers which sit on the pulpit every Sunday. I once went to preach at another Church and the Pastor wouldn't let them sit on the Pulpit. We left, took the entire Church with us. I said if they arean't welcome then neither am I.
     
  13. TaterTot

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    you mean the platform? lol.
     
  14. tinytim

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    Yeah, Lebuick,, How big is your pulpit? Or how small are your women? lol

    If a woman asked to sit on my pulpit, I would think she was drunk! (ooops wrong thread. lol)
     
  15. Sopranette

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    I wouldn't feel comfortable with women preachers. Teaching the word of God is a man's job.

    Sopranette
     
  16. Joshua Rhodes

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    I will boast in only Jesus Christ.

    Religion cannot save, talent cannot save,
    Position cannot save my soul from death.
    Preaching cannot save, singing cannot save,
    Even Scripture in and of itself cannot save my soul from death.

    I will boast in only Jesus Christ;
    To this world I have been crucified, so I will boast only in Him.
     
  17. Aaron

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    Preaching, however, is the hallowed method for spreading the Gospel, unlike the other items in your list, except maybe the Scriptures. Very few are saved without it.
     
  18. Aaron

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    The premise you describe is the basic assumption of most professing Christians that I know. I would also say it's the basic assumption of most Christians in the U.S. "Praise and Worship" is a phrase used to describe music, not preaching or prayer.

    Most Christians today think that worship is a feeling instead of an act. And since music impacts one's emotions like nothing else can do, it's a natural connection, albeit an erroneous one. Worship is not a feeling, but a conscious act of the will. It's the offering of worth-ship, to one who is worthy.
     
  19. Joshua Rhodes

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    Aaron, I agree that preaching is indeed one of the most effective, if not THE most effective method... but preaching in and of itself does not save... only Christ.
     
  20. LeBuick

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    I thought the pulpit was the platform or Altar??? I call the thing you stand behind a rostrum or podium? Have I been getting it wrong all these years?
     
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