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Don't Armeniens/Calvinists BOTh Teach Grace/Faith Alone ?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Mar 18, 2011.

  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan New Member

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    Seems that both those of Free Will side and Election side teach and promote that we are saved by grace of GOD thru faith In Christ ALONE, so aren't we all agreeing on what the Gospel message really is?

    We differ on how it is all applied and brought about in a Christian life, but don't we still preach same Gospel of Christ crucified and risen on behalf of those saved in Him?

    I believe in 4 points of TULIP, but isn't there just 1 Gospel both sides teach/preach?
    NOT Gospel for free Will/ another for Election?
     
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  2. jbh28

    jbh28 Active Member

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    Here is the gospel
    For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
    (1 Corinthians 15:3-5 ESV)
     
  3. drfuss

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    Yes, one Gospel; different terminology, definitions and a play on words.
     
  4. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    No, Calvinists believe that God forces you to be saved whether you like it or not. Or, I should say, they believe God forces you to be saved and he forces you to like it.
     
  5. Andy T.

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    Very penetrating insight here. Since you answered "No" - do you think Cals don't believe the Gospel and are not saved?
     
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    I'm glad as a calvinist you grasp this...it is quite refreshing to be honest.

    That is why it really irks me when a reformer will say such things as "calvinism is the Gospel", "Christ was a calvinist" and refer to us non cal's with "nameless theology" as "self salvationists" who serve another god because we refuse to let Him be sovereign. It's total pile of steaming...
     
  7. Osage Bluestem

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    Yes we both preach the same gospel. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone.

    This is certainly not an issue to break fellowship over.
     
  8. matt wade

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    Answering this question would be against the forum rules.
     
  9. Earth Wind and Fire

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    And the problem with that is? :laugh:
     
  10. Andy T.

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    Well, we know by your statement here, what your answer is. I hope you're praying for me! :wavey:

    Hey Webdog - here's an example of the flip-side to what you've seen come from some Cals.
     
  11. ReformedBaptist

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    I would hope most evangelicals hold to the five solas of the Reformation.
     
  12. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    You are admittedly not a Baptist. Please refrain from breaking the forum rules and continuing to post in the Baptist only forums.
     
  13. ReformedBaptist

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    Nevermind this post. I thought it was directed to me.
     
  14. ReformedBaptist

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    From what I thought, he was Baptist in practice. That doesn't count?
     
  15. jbh28

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    Well, that's not true. I guess being honest about those that we disagree with is too much to ask for.

    The gospel is the gospel. Both Calvinists and Arminians (and those in between) believe the same gospel. You are correct in that we should refrain from making those that disagree with us some type of "lower" Christian.
     
  16. Tom Butler

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    We have to be more specific when outlining differences between Calvinist understanding of the gospel and the Arminian understanding.

    More accurately, we need to speak of Baptist Calvinists and Baptist Non-Calvinists.

    That's because most Baptists who are not Calvinists also reject being described s Arminian. Even Free-Will Baptists and General Baptists, who believe one can lose his salvation, don't like the term Arminian.

    The reason for disliking the term Arminian is that most if not all Baptists believe salvation is by grace alone through faith alone, and reject works salvation, including baptismal regeneration and observation of other sacraments.

    So, that being true, we Cals and non-Cals can certainly fellowship around the gospel, because both of us agree on what it is.
     
  17. matt wade

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    Based upon the teachings of Luke on this board, what I described is exactly what Calvinists believe. If that's not true, then feel free to show the errors of my statement.
     
  18. matt wade

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    No, it doesn't. He said he was "baptistic" in practice. That is not a Baptist. He is non-denominational.
     
  19. jbh28

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    Calvinist don't believe that people are saved by forcing them against their will.
     
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