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Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by Bible-boy, Mar 15, 2007.

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  1. Bible-boy

    Bible-boy Active Member

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    No offense taken. Thanks for the kind response.:saint:
     
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  2. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Don't mean to sound contrary, but the Lord convicted me of something years ago.

    A lie is a lie whether intentional or not. If I say I am going to visit my pastor tomorrow, I mean to visit him. But suppose something happens that I am not able to? A stroke puts me in the hospital before I can visit. I have not intentionally lied, but my promise became a lie.

    I believe that is why the Word of God tells us to say 'if the Lord wills...' when we say we are going to do something. When we say 'if the Lord wills...', it becomes 'lie insurance' if you know what I mean.

    Now, BibleBoy has said he asked the Lord to forgive him and praise God, He is faithful to do just that. Even though it was an untruth and unintentional, it is just as if it never happened once Christ forgives.

    'and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more against them'.

    Praise the Lord!
     
    #22 His Blood Spoke My Name, Mar 15, 2007
  3. Alcott

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    If that's how it works, then you can say anything, even if just to get 'off the hook' for the moment, even if you do not intend to follow through-- it's no lie as long as you include "if the Lord wills."
     
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  4. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Not so, Alcott. For if you make a statement like 'if the Lord wills...' and know all along that you will not carry through, you are not allowing the Lord's will to be accomplished. You have lied intentionally.
     
    #24 His Blood Spoke My Name, Mar 15, 2007
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    I trust you didn't have too much trouble ratifying that amendment.
     
    #25 Alcott, Mar 15, 2007
  6. Bible-boy

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    If God is sovereign (I assume we agree that He is) and He wills something to happen how in the world could we (His creatures) "not allow the Lord's will to be accomplished"? What you are saying here makes no logical sense whatsoever.
     
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  7. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    God is sovreign, BibleBoy. But His will is not always accomplished, my Brother.

    His Word says that He is willing that none perish. God's will is that all come to a saving faith in His Son. But we know that many choose not to place their faith in Christ as Lord and Savior.

    We must remember, Brother. Just because God's will is for us not to sin, we still do because of the sinful nature of this flesh we live in.

    Example: God's will was that Jonah get up and go to Ninevah. Jonah disobeyed and got on a ship heading to another location.
     
    #27 His Blood Spoke My Name, Mar 16, 2007
  8. Bible-boy

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    Would someone like to explain the Law of Non-contradiction to HBSMN?
     
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    Now finish the rest of the story... God sent a big fish to take Jonah where He willed him to go and Jonah was delivered to that place. You can't take part of a passage of Scripture to support your presupposition and ignore the rest of what the Bible says about that subject. Context, Context, Context...
     
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    I am not contradicting myself, Brother. We can say 'if it be God's Will...', but if our heart is not truly after God's Will, we will go our own way as Jonah did.
     
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    You misunderstand me. The contradiction is in this statement:

    Sovereign means that God has the last and final authoritative say so regarding all matters and what He says will happen will happen. Thus, God can not be truly sovereign and "but His will not always be accomplished." If something or someone has the power to thwart God's will then that something or someone actually has sovereignity over God. It can not be both true and false at the same time that God is and is not completely sovereign.
     
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    We have greatly digressed and gone way off topic. Perhaps the current discussion ought to dealt with in another thread in another forum.
     
    #32 Bible-boy, Mar 16, 2007
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    So you're a moderator, with I suppose, some modicum of influence among other moderators. Suggest to them that it be moved, then.

    Ed
     
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    If the Lord wills, you're gonna move the thread?








    :laugh: Sorry. Had to.
     
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    Well being that I am the only Moderator on-line at this hour and that I am not a Moderator of this forum at ain't gona happen tonight. That being the case the Mods of this forum will be closing this thread later in the AM because it has passed the three page limit.

    Plus, due to the fact that the OP is about one thing and this off-topic debate popped up here at the end it would not make sense to simply move this thread somewhere else. What ought to happen is for someone (anyone) to open a new thread in one of the Baptist debate fora on the issue of God's Sovereignity. And now I'm off to bed.:sleeping_2:
     
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  16. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    If one do a search on the queen of england, one would find that england recognizes her as Sovereign Queen. Yet, one can also see that there are some in england who do not bow to her, nor do they obey her.

    Just because one is sovereign does not mean one is always obeyed.
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
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  18. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Ed,

    Give me your input on my thread 'The Sovereign Lord' in Other Christian Denominations please.

    So ya liked the 4 out of 3, huh? LOL
     
    #38 His Blood Spoke My Name, Mar 16, 2007
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    I'm fairly sure the sharp eye of Lady Eagle will soon manifest itself. :thumbs: :laugh:

    Ed
     
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    your statistic is fascinating. I ran the numbers. 60% of the time it works every time.

    Even more fascinating is this: A number of studies have shown that when the correct answer is given to a math problem, it is almost always right.
     
    #40 rbell, Mar 16, 2007
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