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Double Standards and Gender

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by jaigner, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. jaigner

    jaigner Active Member

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    Your 8-year-old can read the text. Can he do an historical/grammatical exegetical study of it? He would probably also say that women should have their heads covered, since the Bible says so.

    I'm telling you, this isn't people just ignoring or twisting the Bible. I love the Bible. It is the supreme authority, but you can't just go straight from reading to application. There is much to interpret. Check out the writings of N.T. Wright, John Stackhouse or John Stott if you want to understand this position better. Heck, even the best complementarian Pauline scholars, Doug Moo comes to mind first, but there are others, admit that this is not easy text to interpret. There is so much going on. These men and women recognize that their egalitarian brothers and sisters disagree, but are authentic and are committed to biblical authority.

    As far as it not being an issue until recently, well, that's not altogether true. There has been significant movement on this issue over the past couple of centuries, and if you take into account that Christian culture has gone from basically enslaving women in Jesus' day to considering them equal, that's quite a trajectory.
     
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    Might be the best post in this thread.
    Look, you are going to call us "Liberals" but most of us have agonized over this topic and I still struggle with it. I have come a long way on the topic and I am not there yet.....but I am pretty darn close.
     
  3. seekingthetruth

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    Well, this shouldn't be an issue today since all of the women should be busy preparing the Thanksgiving meal for tomorrow. :eek:

    Seriously, my wife doesn't have a problem with scripture. I have my role and she has hers. Neither is more important than the other. She has a voice in everything we do, but she respects my decisions even when she disagrees.

    And, she is not a slave. People always condemn the scriptures that say wives should submit to their husbands, but they leave out the scriptures commanding husbands to love their wives. Treating her like a slave would not be considered loving her, I don't believe.

    Besides, when I was a child and most women did stay home, you didn't see as much teenage pregnancy, teen drug usage, kids shooting up their schools, ect. We didn't have school cops, metal detectors or drug screening.

    Maybe God made the roles as He did, not to downgrade women, but to protect children.

    I honestly believe that women not putting their family first as our mothers did, is the major cause of the moral decay in the country. I am telling you, God had a reason for the way he set up the family, and the further we get away from that, the worse off we are going to be.

    John

    PS....I am actually the one doing the cooking today :laugh:
     
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    Understand, we are changing gears this year. We are grilling steaks for the family this year...One of my favorite things to do...:smilewinkgrin:
     
  5. seekingthetruth

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    I would have a hard time grilling steaks here. We are in the middle of a snow storm. There is already 8 to 10 inches outside, and they are calling for 4 to 6 more before it ends.

    This is our second snow storm already, and it is still Fall...

    John
     
  6. jaigner

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    It's also because men don't put their family first. It's a joint effort.

    And the 50s-era household with the wife staying home while the husband went out to make the living was a fabrication of the time. Never, at any other point in history, has there been such a standard model, especially before urbanization.
     
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    This is a myth perpetuated by the left. It was true even in the 60's and 70's when I was growing up. It was a predominant view and practice.
     
  8. jaigner

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    Yes, but it was a 1950s ideal. Heck, I grew up in the 80s and 90s with a stay-at-home mom. But it wasn't a societal ideal that was held prior to that, especially in an agrarian society.
     
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    It was a societal idea since Adam and Eve
     
  10. jaigner

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    Come on, Mandy, these statements are just outrageous and you're not even defending them.
     
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    A mother's first priority has historically been raising her children, and it's been that way for thousands of years. Only recently has a career become more important, and our society is suffering because of it.

    If I could have the children then I would gladly assume the job of nurturing parent and provide the best home I could for my children and husband.

    And there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, I believe God blesses Mothers and wives that put their family first before a career. A good wife and mother deserves the utmost respect and honour.

    John
     
  12. jaigner

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    I agree. A father also must put his family first before a career. I'm not suggesting otherwise. I don't even have a problem with full-time housewives, nor would I with full-time househusbands, as long as both partners agree on the arrangement.
     
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    I totally agree with yolu on this. Why is a working woman putting a job before her family, but a father who works is putting his family first? That is like the title of this thread a double standard.
     
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    That sound rather idealistic. There are times when the family must pitch in to make ends meet. I can remember a time when the unemployment rate was 16% where I once lived.

    Putting food on the table is more than sucking on welfare.
     
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    Yay, jaigner spells it right! It's ComplEmentarian, not complimentarian.
     
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    Jaigner, when will you learn that this board is filled with fundamentalists and SBCers who call anyone that disagree with them "Liberals"...

    YOu are beating your head against the wall... let them, and their views fade away.... and go on with your ministry... God bless all humans.. Man or woman who work for God, preach His word, and stand fast against the Pharisees of this world who has God's word in the box of their lonely interpretation.
     
  17. jaigner

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    I was one for a number of years before being convicted otherwise. I got plenty of practice before.

    I know, man, but this is a huge injustice and a significant barrier in the spreading of the gospel. I hope to influence someone here and there.

    It is good knowing that this particular form of prejudice is dying out and will one day go the way of racism and be unacceptable among reasonable, committed Christians. Hopefully it will be during my lifetime.
     
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