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Dr Jeffress and the Mormons

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Oct 8, 2011.

  1. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
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    Dr Jeffress said that Mormons are NOT Christians -and that they are a cult. Further he said that Christians should consider a qualified evangalical Christian for office.

    Here is the link

    By the way - the link says that Jeffress is the head of the SBC - that is incorrect. Wonder what else the author got worng?
     
  2. Ruiz

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    I have written an article on this that will be published on Tuesday. Jeffress was not out of line theologically. What is sad is that Bill Bennett has weighed in on this issue calling Jeffress a bigot.

    I also found several mistakes from the media, here are some of my observations:

    1. The comments were not made when introducing Rick Perry but afterwards (several reports it was done during the introduction).
    2. The comments also contained a statement that he believes Obama is a Christian.
    3. Despite him believing Obama is a Christian, he said he would vote for Romney over Obama.
     
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  3. Jkdbuck76

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    You are funny. I LOL'd.
     
  4. Dempster

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    Mormonism IS a cult.
     
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    I wonder if this should be in the political section. I agree Mormonism is a cult. Any group or denomination that lessens Jesus Christ as God and our only Savior is a cult. The belief that Jesus is a created being is enough in itself to qualify as a cult.

    That is one reason I will never, ever, vote for Mitt Romney. That and the fact he has done a 180 degree turn around on gun control, abortion, gay rights and state sponsered health care since being governor of Massachusettes.

    No more comments are needed except to say, no matter how bad the economy gets, if the Republicans keep picking nonconservative, anti-Constitutional candidates, with a clear distinction from the Democrats, they are once again going to lose to Obama.
     
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    Mormonism is a cult. They teach a works based salvation not to mention their false teachings on who Jesus Christ is.
     
  7. preachinjesus

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    Dr Jeffress did neither his candidate nor himself any favors with his statement.

    It's sad to see a Pastor who apparently doesn't have more pressing ministry concerns and feels the need to weigh in with his, useless, opinion.

    I'll be honest, I don't use a religious limtmus test when going to the voting booth. I don't care if a politician says they are a Christian/Jew/Muslim/etc. Because it is easy to say you're one thing and not ever be held accountable.

    How many "Christian" politicians, endorsed by pastors, have led highly immoral lives?
     
  8. freeatlast

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    In this situation I agree that Dr Jeffress erred in speaking out even though what he said was correct. However I am not so inclined to hold that it is always wrong. If a Muslim was running I would want to know all about his religious beliefs
     
  9. InTheLight

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    This is important.

    Take two candidates.

    Candidate A favors less government regulations, a flat tax and abolition of the IRS, deep spending cuts, a balanced budget amendment, is pro life, favors a strong military, repealing of ObamaCare, and 2nd amendment gun ownership rights.

    Candidate B is for cap and trade, rolling back the Bush tax cuts, increasing government spending on social concerns to be paid for with cuts to the military, is pro choice, and favors gun control laws.

    Candidate A has a consistent track record of stands on the issues and is an atheist.

    Candidate B has flip-flopped on a couple of issues and says he is a Christian.

    Who are you going to vote for?
     
  10. sag38

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    It would be very foolish in my opinion not to consider the religious stance of a candidate. However, it is not the only consideration. We not electing a national pastor but the President. He's not a religious leader. I'd take a Mormon over Obama any day of the week. I'd take Romney over many other candidates like Michelle Bachman. Despite the fact that Mormonism is leading many to hell with their false, created, jesus, as far as morality, work ethic, etc they offer more than most.
     
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    One of the Sunday morning network shows wanted to discuss this issue. They invited a Catholic priest and a Rabbi to speak to the issue, both told the country the Mormons WERE Christians.

    The priest went on to declare that "cult" does not necessarily mean what evangelicals mean but that in the past it related to a group gathering around a common belief, which might be true though I doubt he could round up an evangelical that meant that when they used the term.
     
  12. Ruiz

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    Let me note one issue that I initially overlooked but I believe is important in this discussion.

    While mormonism is a cult, the term "cult" as used by Jeffress and most Evangelicals is used in a theological sense. The world views the term cult as a physically oppressive and physically harmful entity. I think he would be better off by saying that Mormons are not Christians when talking to a non-theological/theologically ignorant society. How we use the term and how the secular society interprets the term are completely different and that misunderstanding is important to note.

    While I think he was right, perhaps a better use of language was needed.
     
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    Another words Christians speak the same "language" as non-Christians - its just that we have different "dialects"
     
  14. jaigner

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    Jeffress is a complete joke. He's one of the best at making Baptists look bad. Was what he said correct? Possibly. But why would he appear at a political event and then proceed to comment on the religious stance of another candidate. It's so wrong.

    I don't understand why he feels it's his job to set everyone straight. And when speaks, he usually just ends up being unnecessarily controversial.

    He's so arrogant, as well. That little smile just says "I'm God's gift to the whole freaking world."

    Makes me want to vomit.
     
  15. Ruiz

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    A Pastor is supposed to weigh in on theological issues. I question why he did it at a political rally, but he was right in doing so. What is a joke is when people see Mormon teaching and ignore that this is not the same as Christianity. As a Pastor, his job is to make theological distinctions, this is the role of a Pastor.
     
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    What I have to say may be correct and I may have the right to say it, but I still subscribe to the policy ofdiscretion is the greater part of valor. My wife may be overweight but I would be an idiot to tell her so.
     
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    As a Fundamentalist Baptist, I believe Dr Jeffress was absolutely right.
     
  18. jaigner

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    Of course, but it should be in the context of his congregation and not all over the place. This guy does not choose his words wisely, so he ends up being abrasive and brash, not generous and loving.

    With all his statements on other world religions, many of which have been shortsighted and misspoken, he has only succeeded in pushing people away from the truth.

    Does anyone remember his "GrinchAlert.com" nonsense? It made Christians look like petty, whiny idiots.
     
  19. matt wade

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    So what you are basically saying is that it's OK to stand by and watch a huge number of people go to Hell, because it would offend some people to say that Mormons aren't Christians?
     
  20. Ruiz

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    I think he needed to use different words, as noted in a previous post. However, if I were asked about whether mormonism was Christian and Romney was a Christian, I must be forthright, even in a situation that is not within a church.
     
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