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Featured Dramatic Moment in Baccalaureate Service at Liberty University

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Jerome, May 13, 2019.

  1. Jerome

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    ...as the intact stained glass windows portraying Jerry Falwell Sr. and Jerry Vines are unveiled on stage after being rescued from Southwestern Seminary:

    Video here:

    Vines, Falwell Reclaim $$$, Scrapped Conservative Resurgence Memorial Windows from Texas Seminary
    transcript from Falwell Jr's introduction of Jerry Vines, a Conservative president of the SBC in the 1980s:

    "He's been one of the most powerful preachers of his generation. We're honored to have Dr. Vines here. He was instrumental along with several others like Adrian Rogers, Charles Stanley, Bailey Smith, in reforming the Southern Baptist Convention...to make it more accurately reflect Conservative values"

    "Unfortunately a new generation has taken the Convention away from those values"

    "I sent a plane to Ft. Worth Texas this week. Jerry [Vines] and I just talked about two days ago so it happened fast. We're making them give the donations back and those windows are here behind me tonight and they're going to be displayed in the museum here on campus and we'll continue to honor the Conservative leaders who reformed the Southern Convention (wild applause as the windows are unveiled behind them)

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    It was not a "conservative resurgence" anyway. It was a fundamentalist takeover, politically orchestrated.
     
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    Yeah, because the news shows are always talking about stuff like biblical inerrancy being taught in the seminaries...a hot political topic .
     
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    You know every time you come on this board with a different username but post the same crazy junk it tells on you.
     
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    You are a liberal I presume. Only liberals call it a fundamentalist takeover.
     
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    Yeup, his comment shows little understanding of the relationship between the SBC and the Fundamentalist movement. (Which is larger than just the IFBs.)
     
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    You presume wrong. Moderates call it that, and even conservatives call it that. It was a fundamentalist takeover using political tactics. Fundie SBC'ers deny Baptist distinctives. For instance, they want to say "priesthood of ALL BELIEVERS" rather than "priesthood of THE BELIEVER or EACH BELIEVER". They substitute a collectivist, statist view for the individualist Baptist view.
     
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    You are entitled to be wrong.
     
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    Historically, the SBC had very tenuous connections with the Fundamentalist movement. Pre-WW2, the SBC was all that enthusiastic about the interdenominational character of the movement. Later, Fundamentalists were in many cases downright hostile towards the SBC. Conservative SBC men are by at least my definition not Fundamentalists. Yes, many Fundamentalist came out of the SBC. But that's just it, They came out of the Convention.
     
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    Moderate, the name Liberals in disguise want to be called.
     
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    So what would you call it when the liberals tried to take over the SBC in the early part of the 20th entry.

    Thus the term "conservative resurgence" is correct - as conservatives were simply trying to bring back the SBC to where its roots were.

    And for question # 2 , what doctrines are you so concerned about that the Conservatives considered to be important enough to fight for.
     
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    “The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”
     
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    Conservative, the name Fundamentalists in disguise want to be called.
     
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    "Because of the opprobrious epithet "liberal," today they call themselves "moderates." A skunk by any other name still stinks!" ~ W.A. Criswell
     
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    Fundamentalist, conservative, I will proudly own both titles.
     
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    And now, the rest of the story...

    Criswell interviewed by the Illinois Baptist state paper in 1993:

    http://media.sbhla.org.s3.amazonaws.com/7507,04-Feb-1993.PDF
    So sad, that Criswell himself came to be circumspect about his name-calling outburst, yet decades later it's still being employed in this way.
     
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    Uh that is not exactly true I would encourage everyone to read the article in the link.
     
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    Tom Ascol recalls Adrian Rogers rebuking people for this stuff:

    Tom Ascol • Grace Baptist Church Cape Coral
     
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    What is the earliest use of either "priesthood of believers" or "priesthood of the believer" in a Baptist confession of faith? Re Southern Baptists, at the following link, I found "the priesthood of believers" in 2000 and "the priesthood of the believer" in 1963, and neither in 1925.
    Comparison of 1925, 1963 and 2000 Baptist Faith and Message

    Since the 1925 BF&M is based on the New Hampshire Confession of Faith, I looked at it also. It has neither phrase. Finally, I looked at the 1689 and 1644 London Confessions. The 1689 does not have it. The 1644 has something similar:
    This certainly doesn't begin to exhaust the available Baptist confessions, but it is some of the major ones of the past, as well as the SBC ones, which body you mentioned in your post. It suggests to me it has not been such an agreed upon phrase as your post indicates.
     
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    Here is a quote from one of the "Fundies," Bart Barber, on its biblical use.
    “Priesthood of THE believer” is utterly and entirely absent from the Bible. Every biblical reference to the priesthood of all believers is plural, not singular. 1 Peter 2:5 “you [plural…“y’all”] also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” 1 Peter 2:9 “But you [plural…“y’all”] are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” Revelation 5:10 “You have made them [the believers, in plural, considered collectively] to be a kingdom and priests to our God.”
     
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