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Drug testing pregnant, low income moms

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Gina B, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

    Dec 30, 2000
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    Should low income pregnant woman, or anyone for that matter, be forced to consent to drug testing and if they refuse, have their babies drug tested once the baby is born?

    Why do they not test the fathers or others in the home, since they report any positive results to children's services so they can take the baby or intervene with the family? Is it not just as important that other people in the home be drug free?

    Why test at all when our government supports abortion without calling it murder? If the unborn child is not a life, why care?

    And...how long will we let our own government presume we're all guilty of some type of crime until we're proven innocent? What is our job when a government takes away our liberty? This is one tiny drop in the long train of government abuse and taking away of our freedoms.

    What does the Declaration of Independence say? Let's see....

    "...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

    "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--..."

    It also talks about humankind being more inclined to suffer while they think such things are more tolerable than making those things right, than fixing the problems. Oh, how true that is.

    We have a long, long list of things wrong with our government.

    They want to take away gun rights. Shoot, they want to take away TOY guns too.

    They gave ultimate power to children's protective services, and that agency runs their own court, by their own laws and own judges, and can come take away your children and have "the lowest burden of proof," which can be as simple as an anonymous phone call.

    If a child is born premature, the law in some places, perhaps more states than I know of, states it is an automatic referral to children's protective services.

    Taking a child out of public school? It is unwritten, but typically is an automatic referral to CPS.

    Our money from our taxes has been misappropriated, misused, abused, and not handled properly.

    Our justice system is often corrupt and affords those with more money a much more lenient form of justice. The poor are highly likely to be found guilty even if they are not, while those who can afford outrageous attorney fees are likely to get a slap on the hand or be found not guilty. "With freedom and just for all...who can afford it" seems a truer saying than ending it with "for all." Because it's not for all.

    We do not own our property. Fail to pay taxes on your home and you'll find out if you truly own it. Try to do something you want on your own property, and you'll find yourself needing permission. The government can simply take your home and give you what they consider a "fair price" if they decide they want it. It USED to be for extreme causes, but now it's turned into "if they want it and it benefits them."

    Illegal immigrants seem to have more rights and freedoms than others. Those that come here legally or seeking asylum have to go through a terrible amount of mess and money to stay here legally. We are supposed to be an open country, but those in true need of help who try to come here legally seem to have less chance and opportunity than illegal immigrants.

    Police officers and such may now legally lie to citizens in the course of an investigation. Isn't that nice to know?

    Try to let your kid set up a lemonade stand on your own property (you know, that land you don't really own) and you may be faced with charges and penalties for not getting a license.

    Have you ever bought pies from the Amish? Well, good luck doing that now. They are being forced to either stop selling or go against their beliefs and use government approved refrigeration methods.

    Want to sell milk from your cows to a few friends and neighbors? Good luck with that too.

    Want to buy nuts that haven't been irradiated? Not legal.

    Are you broke and want to go catch a fish to feed your family dinner tonight? Nope, not without paying a fee and getting permission.

    Want to have a Bible study in your home? Better get a permit for a gathering.

    Did you help vote in a Senator? Do you know that there are Senators who want the 17th amendment repealed, which is the one that gives citizens the right to vote for senators?

    Do you like being patted down and strip searched when you go to visit Gramma or your kids?

    Do you like being under video surveillance on our streets?

    Do you like that the powers that be can monitor your telephone calls and emails without your knowledge?

    How are those zero tolerance policies working out for our kids in public schools? Isn't it wonderful that your teen girl can't carry a Pamprin in her purse without risking getting kicked out under drug charges or that your 6 year old might be labeled a sex offender for giving a friend a hug on school property?

    Ever read a banned book? SHAME ON YOU! Go look at a list of banned/challenged books. Even the Merriam-Webster dictionary has been banned before. Some of those definitions are just not age-appropriate for your kids. Aren't you glad your parenting is being handed over to officials so you don't have to do it yourself? Nice.

    Warrantless surveillance? Sure, why not? Bush got it, Obama extended it. Go back to sleep, you probably think it will only be used on people they think have are an extremely high terror risk.

    Some things are big. Some things are small.

    They all add up into a frightening overview of the loss of our rights and freedoms and what I've listed doesn't even scratch the surface.

    The most common reaction I get is "oh, that's not a big deal. We still are more free than other countries." Or even better..."if you don't like it, leave!"

    Why should I leave? Shouldn't those that don't like losing their freedom try to change things instead? Stop the erosion of freedom?

    And why is "we're still more free than that country that beheads women for wearing pants" be what we hold up as the test for if we are free or not? Okay, right. We don't have (many) woman here being killed for what they wear. That means it's all good and we should all be happy and not worry?

    So now lets keep everyone more safe by drug testing pregnant women. Especially the ones that have the nerve to be low-income, because we all know that people with more money aren't alcoholics or drug users. They can't be. They have the money to pay more taxes and to get a lawyer to prove they're not, so why bother? We have enough low-income people who can't afford their freedom that states can come and take away their babies, put them on the market...oops, I mean into the system, and then CPS and the foster parents and eventually adoptive parents can collect lots and lots of federal funding and incentives. This is GOOD for our nation. Make the babies wards of the state, everyone gets money, everyone is happy except the poor mother, and who cares? She's poor. What's she gonna do? What CAN she do? It's a win-win. Isn't that nice?
  2. Paul3144

    Paul3144 Active Member

    May 29, 2009
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    I read that article and this whole thing of no consent drug testing is a total outrage. I honestly don't see how they get away with this.
  3. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2004
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    All of this was made possible because we keep electing the people that are causing all these problems and putting all these restrictions on our freedoms.

    The congress has a 10% approval rating and a 80-90% re election rating.

    We complain about the criminality and abuses of power by our government but we keep electing the criminals and abusers to office over and over.


    Well, the righties will vote for a criminal abuser because they are so afraid the democrat's criminal abuser will get elected and the lefties will vote for a criminal abuser because they are so afraid the republican's criminal abuser will get elected.

    Then which ever side's criminal abuser gets elected their criminality is overlooked because he/she is "one of us". The same principal applies to democrats and republicans. So no one is ever held accountable.

    If the democrats pass a bill that restricts our freedom the republicans go nuts and the democrats call them names. Nothing changes.

    If the republicans pass a bill that restricts our freedoms the democrats go nuts and the republicans call them names. Nothing changes.

    Why should either the democrats or republicans change while they know that no matter how much evil they do we'll still support them?