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Dubai Ports World: Commercial Racial Profiling

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Feb 21, 2006.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I will predict what will happen. CFIUS will activate the additional 45 day review provision in the law and use it to educate the American public about the facts so that the scare tactics of folks like Senator Hillary Clinton, LadyEagle, and others can be dealt with.

    Then DP World will assume the management duties of P&O at its terminals.
     
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    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    Don't forget Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist from Tennessee, and several other Republicans. [​IMG]

    Of course there are no security issues. President Bush said so and he would never lie to us.
     
  3. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Yep, LadyEagle, Hillary Clinton, and Bill Frist. Quite a trio there! [​IMG]
     
  4. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Since you know so much about this, please expound to us in some detail as to how U.S. security will be harmed from what it is currently by this sale by P&O.

    Make your case and I can see if it is worthy of my support.
     
  5. LadyEagle

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    Any time a foreign government takes over our ports, it cannot possibly be a good thing. DP World is owned by a foreign government, not private investors. What happens if the foreign government decides Americans are not "friends" anymore?

    Who is going to guaratee scrutiny of all the foreign visas that will come into this country on this deal, the INS? The same INS who issued an okay to some of the 09/11 hijackers nearly a year after 09/11?

    Is Homeland Security going to scrutinize all the visas to be sure there is no infiltration of terrorists mixed in?

    The same Homeland Security/FEMA which has performed so disgracefully during a natural disaster in this country?

    You have failed to show any concrete argument why letting this company take over our ports is a good thing, other than they are a world-class company. What is your definition of a world class company?

    The job should be handled by Americans, not foreign companies and certainly not by a foreign government which has a shady past when it comes to funding and supporting terrorism, who has STILL not been transparent in their banking system, even though asked to do so by the US. Another argument I've heard is that the UAE has changed since 09/11. There is also the very real possibility they may change again under certain circumstances.

    And why is Bush so firm about using his veto power on this particular issue, when he has never used that power the whole time he has been in office? There is a whole lot more to this issue than what appears on the surface. The way you are defending it when you are against many things in this Bush administration really makes me wonder why you are so adamant on this issue.

    Make a bulleted list of the reasons why this deal should go through. I will make a bulleted list of the reasons why it shouldn't. Then we can have a poll and see what others think.
     
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    Does this surprise you? LE doesn't think there was anything wrong with Japanese interment camps of WW2.
     
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    Big deal. So what? I'm for racial profiling, too. I'm also for making English the mandatory national language. I'm also for unions. I'm also against Mexican and Brazilian jelly beans, as well, and grapes from Chile.
     
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    What is funny to me is that people don't want this company associated with us because UAE citizens were connected people responsible for 9/11, therefore the UAE is somehow complicit on some level. Yet weren't Iraqi citizens connected with people responsible for 9/11, and we're being told that Iraq's regime is innocent of 9/11 blood? Let's be logically consistent, people. I'm not saying I'm for the contract or against it, but it never ceases to amaze me how some people are just blind, unthinking lemmings nowadays.
     
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    (double post)
     
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    It's evidence that you think it okay to condemn an entire race for the sins of a few in that race. The issues of profiling, a national language, and unions are a whole different mound of jelly beans altogether, and have nothign to do with the desire to paint a broad bruch of an entire race or ethnicity.
     
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    So, johnv, what are a few? A couple, a couple of hundred, 500, 1000, 1 million, 2 billion? And you have the issues of race and a religious/political/terrorism ideology confused. I have nothing against Arabs as a race. I do have condemnation towards the religion/political ideology/terrorism of islam. And will make no apology for it to you or anyone else.

    Personally, I am an American who has principles and believes in boundaries. For nations as well as human behavior.
     
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    Nice dodge. But the fact is you cannot skirt around the fact that you don't think there was anything wrong with the interment of Japanese Americans in WW2, which speaks volumes on your view of race.
     
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    If you want to discuss the Japanese and WW2, please start a new thread.
     
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    As much as I'd like to say "nice dodge #2", I must concur that starting a string of threads discussing the atrocity of interring Americans in WW2 is unneccary here, and will only serve to hijack the topic.
     
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    Thanks, johnv. BTW, your mailbox is full.

    Back to topic. I would disagree about the ports being handed over to a Christian Arab country, BTW. Or India. Or China. Or Japan. Or, yes, even our long-time ally England. I, like so many other Americans, didn't have a clue that our domestic ports were being outsourced to other countries until this news story came to light. For the record, I am against handing over our ports to foreign companies or foreign governments, PERIOD.

    As much as the rhetoric is going on, though, in the end, I imagine the deal will be approved. I think Americans would be appalled if we found out other similar deals have gone on with our nuclear power plants, etc. And I would bet (if I was a betting woman), that it has - all behind our backs and under the table - under the guise of Free World Trade. I have lost all the trust in this president that I had for him prior to 09/11. He has sold America down the river, like his predecessors before him, bit by bit.
     
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    I agree. We don't need any other country running any of our ports, mailrooms, or borders. Muslim or not.
     
  17. Johnv

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    While I disagree, I can at least acknowlege consistency of a person who is against DPW runnig ports being against any foreign companies operating ports. In the very least, it would reasonably diffuse the belief that such a view is based on being anti-arab.

    I still disagree with having non-US companies manage US ports, but respect the dissenting view.

    BTW, my mailbox is now empty...
     
  18. KenH

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    If it wasn't for foreign companies managing our ports we would have to basically shut them down to a very large degree since U.S. companies don't do much of that kind of management nowadays.
     
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    I bet they'd start if they had to.
     
  20. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Why should they have to? Should the government force them to?

    We have a global marketplace. This is not the 1930s.
     
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