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Dynamic equivalence in KJV

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by natters, Aug 11, 2004.

  1. michelle

    michelle New Member

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    In a post dated posted August 14, 2004 08:54 AM, michelle said "The feast of unleavened bread was and is the PASSOVER."

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    And your problem in understanding this passage in Luke 22 is because you REFUSE to separate and make a distinction between the TWO FEASTS. You also look at understanding this through the wisdom of the world, and your own human eyes, rather that with the wisdom of God and his spiritual eyes. I can't help you anymore than I have already shared. Only the Lord can help you to understand this.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  2. Askjo

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    Natters, Luke 22:1 and Ezekiel 45:21 --

    Ezek. 45:21 said Passover is on 14th day of the month.

    Lev. 23:5 said Passover is on 14th day of the month.

    When is the feast of unleavened bread? Read Luke 22:1.

    Lev. 23:6 said the feast of unleavened bread is on 15th day.

    Now turn to Luke 22:1.

    Luke 22:1 said the Passover is almost over and the feast of leavened bread almost begins. Look at this verse said, "drew nigh" -- Will you explain what this means, please?
     
  3. natters

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    Michelle! Even when I post two explicit, simple comments that you made that are in complete contradiction to each other, you still cannot see your error, nor even admit you made contradictory statements??? Impressive.

    Is the feast of unleavened bread the Passover? I guess it depends on what time it is, eh? One answer for 5:38 am, the completely opposite answer less than 4 hours later. [​IMG]

    Askjo said "Now turn to Luke 22:1."

    Wow, what a good idea. Why didn't I think of that?

    Askjo said "Look at this verse said, "drew nigh" -- Will you explain what this means, please?"

    It means "approached" or "came near". Look at the rest of the verse, "is called the Passover". Will you explain what this means, please?
     
  4. michelle

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    It means "approached" or "came near". Look at the rest of the verse, "is called the Passover". Will you explain what this means, please?
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    Luke explains this further into this passage:

    Luke 22

    7. Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
    8. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
    9. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
    10. And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
    11. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
    12. And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
    13. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
    14. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
    15. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
    16. For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  5. natters

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    Yes michelle. I know. That doesn't change anything.
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    S.Luke XXII.1 (KIV1611):
    Now ye* feast of vnleuened
    bread drew nigh which is
    called the Passeouer.


    * actual contents are a "y" with an "e" printed over it,
    (I don't have this symbol on my keyboard),
    which i presume means "ye"

    Luke 22:1 (KJV18669):
    Now the feast of unleavened
    bread drew nigh, which is
    called the Passover.


    Interesting addition of a comma there.
    That which is different is certainly not the same

    Thou knowest I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, the Christ [​IMG]
     
  7. robycop3

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    Askjo:Luke 22:1 said the Passover is almost over and the feast of leavened bread almost begins. Look at this verse said, "drew nigh" -- Will you explain what this means, please?

    No, it doesn't say it's almost over.

    "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh,"...

    Unless "nigh" meant something else in 1611, it means the feast of unleavened bread "drew near, was approaching".

    "which is called the Passover."

    The feast of unleavened bread was called the Passover..."pascha" in Greek, the same word this same Luke used in Acts 12:4. It cannot be any plainer in English, old or modern. The rest of the chapter makes the time frame plain. When the passover time approached, Judas consulted with the priests and planned with them to betray Jesus to them. I suppose this plan was necessary because (1.) It was PROPHESIED, and(2.) the temple police didn't know Jesus by sight, so someone would hafta point Him out to them at the opportune time, summoning them when it was "safe" to arrest Jesus.

    But clearly, V.22;1 calls the entire feast "Passover", in line with Ezekiel 45:21 - "In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

    Is Zeke correct, Luke correct, both incorrect, or ARE BOTH CORRECT?
     
  8. HankD

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    You just don't understand Robycop...

    HankD
     
  9. Trotter

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    Gee, this whole arguement is really just plain silly.

    Passover. The day that the lambs were slaughtered.

    The feast of unleavened bread. Seven days unleavened bread was eaten to bring to the rememberence the haste that the Israelites fled Egypt.

    The feast of unleavened bread followed immediately after the Passover.

    The Jews in Jesus' day called the entire series of events "Passover" to make it short and simple. This is exactly what Luke was explaining. Luke, a Gentile, had to be told, and he then passed that information along to his Gentile readers.

    I am afraid that I must agree with the majority aboutt he rendering of "Easter" in the KJV. Easter was what the holiday was called at the time the KJV was translated, but not when the NT was written. "Easter" is an example of DE in action in the KJV.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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