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Earned Income Credit

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. rbell

    rbell Active Member

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    Sorry if I wasn't clear.

    I won't accept EIC payments over and above what I paid in taxes. If I paid $1000 in taxes, I would accept up to $1000 in EIC. No more.
     
  2. Thinkingstuff

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    How about the interest the government earned on your withheld $1,000?
     
  3. sag38

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    Many many people cheat on the EIC. I know from doing taxes. Man and woman come into the the tax office. The man sits at my desk. He earn $56,000.00 a year and files single even though he has three kids with the woman he is living with. The woman sits at a fellow tax preparers desk. She claims head of house hold, three children, and only $5,000.00 in income. She gets back all she paid in on taxes plus several thousand dollars due to the earned income credit. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for ripping off fellow citizens but they do it with a straight face. Single woman comes in. She lives with her parents who are footing the bill for her and her two children. But she convinces her parents not to claim her nor the grandchildren as dependents. She gives a bogus address, claims head of house hold, and reports only $4000.00 in income and gets a boat load back thanks to the EIC. EIC is nothing but another welfare fraud cast on the backs on honest working citizen. It steals from those who really work for a living and gives it to those who do not. What a crock!!!
     
  4. Thinkingstuff

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    No matter what you do people will always find ways around the system to cheat it. However, it is a system that properly used will help families in need.
     
  5. sag38

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    Then enforce the rules. I have no problem helping people but cheaters need to be caught and dealt with. I'd guess that the politicians don't want to enforce the rules. EIC is another vote buying scheme given to us by the likes of non other than Slick Willie himself. Thanks Bill for another revenue sucker at the cost of hard working citizens.
     
  6. billwald

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    If taxes are stolen money then why did Jesus command us to pay taxes to one of the most evil people in history?

    Are condo dues also stolen money?

    sidebar - It is obvious why so many good Christians are also good Republicans. You use the same arguments to chose which laws you will chose to follow - and then claim to be law keepers.
     
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    The Troll has arrived!!!!
     
  8. Salty

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    Taxes for the general welfare, ie roads, post office, reasonal admin expenses, military, ect is proper and needed.

    Welfare is stolen money. Its time the govt got out of that business and let chuches and social agcy take care of the needy without interference.
     
  9. Thinkingstuff

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    welfare is not stolen money. Its properly taxed and redistributed. Not stolen. Difference.
     
  10. Salty

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    redistributed - That is the key word - okay so its legalized stolen money.


    How can govt income be "properly taxed" when nearly 40% of Americians pay no income tax?
     
  11. Thinkingstuff

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    Taxed money belongs to the government. Period. what they do with it is determined by our elected officials this is not stolen money. Capice?
     
  12. Salty

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    No Capice -- Taxed money belongs to the citizens and to be managed by our reps - and they are doing a lousy job. Why - because they keep giving money to the masses from the sweat and tears of a few, so the reps can keep getting reelected.

    You said: "what they do with it is determined by our elected officials"
    So if congress passed a law that said that divorced men who do not have custody of their children would not be eligible for food stamps.
    According to you that would be legal, since it was determined by our elected officials
     
  13. Thinkingstuff

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    If it was passed by both houses and signed in by the president and didn't contradict the constitution. yes. I would. I may think it is a lousy law. We live in a republic therefore decisions of the citizenry is determined by our elected officials.
     
  14. Salty

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    Okay, anyone with a username with "stuff" in it must pay a 50% surchare on thier taxes.
    I wonder if TS would sit back and take it.

    and I will close with this link (click here)

    how can you debate with foolish thinking :tonofbricks:
     
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    Yes, but at least two groups of citizens are effectively muzzled in their ability to express their thoughts on those elected officials.

    1. Conservative Churches subject to losing their 503Cx status

    2. Federal Employees by the Hatch Act subject to job loss

    Salty makes many valid points...

    Just because elected officials make a law does not mean it is morally and ethically right.

    They could, and probably will the way things are going, make a law that says if you Name the Name of Christ you will be thrown into a firey furnance.

    It's the Law, But, is it right? And, should we obey it?
     
  16. Thinkingstuff

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    I must say your post is funny. And I had a good laugh. However, the fact remains welfare is not stolen money but distributed by legal assent of our government. You don't like it get representatives to change the law. But to equate it with stolen money is not proper.

    Even the OT has a form of welfare and it is not considered stolen. Look at the book of Ruth.
     
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    In addition, military personnel are prohibit from attending any political rally in uniform. Further, an officer or NCO must be careful in providing political views to his subordinates - the theory being that you could receive repercussions if you don't vote the way your superior might want you to. I would say that is somewhat reasonable.

    The same is similar for federal employees - basically to avoid a conflict of interest.

    As far as churches - the point is that they are tax exempt free and thus should not engage in promoting a candidate - issues would be another story. Again, that is something I can live with. If your church cant, than pay taxes on the income and go for it.

    Should churches be tax exempt?
     
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    To be fair, the process enumerated in Ruth kept folks from starving. It did not encourage a lifestyle of sloth, or cause a market to develop of full-time "system gaming."

    It gave food to hungry people. We give food, housing, cell phones, and pretty much anything else we can.
     
  19. sag38

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    Your Biblical example is terrible. Ruth had to go out and work for the grain. It wasn't brought to her and Naomi all wrapped up in a neat little check. Nor was Boaz forced, by the government, to give anything away.
     
  20. Thinkingstuff

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    God made a provision for people in need. The Book of Ruth clearly shows that fact. It is not a "horrible example" but an appropriate one. Jesus said the Poor you will have always. And so it is. And its our duty to care for them. Moses did not just establish a religion but a governmental system which included welfare. Which is evident in the book of Ruth. How did Ruth take care of her mother in Law?
     
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