Eating Of Pork

In Isaiah, God speaks about "a rebellious people which walk in a way that is not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoke Me to anger continually to My face," (65:2,3). One of the reasons these people provoke the Lord is because they "eat swine’s flesh, and broth of unclean meat is in their pots," (65:4).

Before the new heavens and new earth are established, God declares that He will consume those people "who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things, and mice" (Isa.66:17). The context of this prophecy is the end times, right before the new heaven and new earth. This would certainly seem to suggest that the Lord will still expect an obedience to His dietary laws.

 

Uh- ever read Acts, and Peter's vision? For those who either are or put themselves "under the law", it's an all or nothing proposition. And I'm pretty sure that's gravy for some, but not me, as one who, as a Gentile, never had the law (Gal.2:14), was not subject to the law (Rom. 8:7), am now dead to the law (Rom. 7:4: gal.2:19), dead through the law (Gal. 2:19), loosed from the law (Rom. 7:2 ) free from the law (Rom. 7:3; 8:2), not under the law but under grace, and led by the Spirit (Rom. 6:14; Gal. 5:18), and redeemed from the law (Gal. 3:13), and one who, by faith, establishes the law (Rom. 3:31). Your phrase of "these people' is exactly what the difference is, for as a believer in Jesus Christ, and one who is part of the body of Christ, I am now beyond the law, having been raised in Him. The law has no claim to a dead man. And I am dead, and my life is hidden in Christ. Pass me another order of those pork ribs, please! :thumbsup: And regardless that I can, I still ain't eating none of them "meeces", as Jinx would have said.

Ed

 

EdSutton,

re: "Uh- ever read Acts, and Peter's vision?"

Yes I have, a number of times. After the vision, Peter was perplexed. He didn’t have a clue as to what the vision had meant. It wasn’t until the "Spirit" told him that three men were looking for him and that he was to doubt nothing, that he realized what the vision was all about. in verse 28, Peter says "Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any MAN common or unclean".

 

Very good! So far you have got it, I'd say.

But Peter was also told to "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."

'Cause the text also says he was hungry, it was 'dinnertime', as we say in farm country, and in fact, they were "a-fixin' dinner" at that time, as well. How did you also miss this?? Peter said (predictably, maybe??) "Not so, Lord!"

God had declared this 'food' as clean! So I'm pretty sure there was some pork chops or country ham :godisgood:, and also Brunswick stew, on that sheet, whether or not it was in the pot, hanging in the 'smokehouse' or still "on the hoof". And I know I could 'kill' most of that fairly quickly with only a fork, unless it was still walking around! :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

Mark 7:
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
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Y'all made me laugh so hard! LOL!

I would make a terrible adhearant to Judaism or Islam! I love bacon, ham, BBQ pork of any kind, and pork chops! The remarks from above made me laugh so hard, I about had to make a trip to the bathroom. God bless you all, y'all made me laugh before going to church. John Hagee is on the TV as I type!

 

Well, everyone have a nice day at church. I am going to visit another church a short distance from home but they are looking for me today and have prepared dinner. There will be everything on that table from pork to beef and I will eat "my fare share", that is only what I want is "that is coming to me" it is my right you know. They usually have steak and gravy for me everytime I go to this church with mashed potatoes and lettuce and onions kilt with hot bacon grease (don't know if you ever eat that or not but don't know what you are missing). So pray for me brethren that I don't make a gluttoneous fool of myself but the Bible did say to "eat that which is put before you", so pray they don't put too much before me. blessings, :love2: :love2:

Ed; for goodness sakes, when you stick a fork in it and it goes "oink" don't eat it!!:BangHead:

 

Ed(Sutton):

Know that I am a pork eater. I like pork. We Filipinos have a recipe called "adobo" which only Americans with Filipino wives and those who have gone to the Philippines are familiar with.

But sometimes I pause and think.

I'm hypertensive, extremely overweight, have a lot of uric acid (which accounts for my rheumatism in the left knee), and I think it is because of pork.

So I slowed down on pork.

Now, like you, I often refer to the Book of Acts and Peter's dream when I encounter people who don't eat pork because it is a dietary (as opposed to moral) law, and most of these folks have a good point.

We may be free from the law, that is, trying to be self-righteous through obedience to the law, and our righteousness is indeed Christ and Him only.

However, someone once said that God was referring to the Gentile nations, and that every animal going up and down that ladder represented a Gentile nation.

To the Jews Gentiles are unclean. They won't eat with them, they won't fellowship with them, they won't even be seen conversing with them, and Peter, inspite of the grace in him, still had that attitude (remember his confrontation with Paul ?).

God, in effect was saying that the veil is cut, the inner sanctum is now open, even to the Gentiles. This was no 'go ahead' to eat all manner of food.

So, what do you think.

 

Actually, I don't intend to eat it if it is still able to go "oink", "moo", or "chirp", or anything that even remotely resembles any of the above, in the first place. Unlike my lovely bride :love2:, I want any meat I eat to be on a first name basis with an altar, not just having been a passing acquaintance! :laugh: After all, I believe that is something that was decided at the first church council in Jerusalem. In fact, I'll quote it (with emphasis for the subject being discussed) for y'all:

Did you get that? It seemed good ..to us... that you abstain ... from blood? If it shows any blood when that fork hits it, it needs more of the baptism with fire!!! :laugh: {laugh} {laugh}

Ed

 

Hang on a sec, there Doc. Where is the differentiation made in the NT, say, between what is "moral law" and any other? Did I miss that verse, somehow? While the law has what we commonly refer to as a three-fold section, I have yet to see that some were now OK to ignore, while others remain 'binding'. And for at least the sixth time on the BB, I have said that the Law was not for the Gentiles, in the first place, for we did not have it. (Rom. 2:14)

I've also said, as to the Law, "As a Gentile, I could not 'keep it' if I would!" and now "As one in the body of Christ, I would not 'keep it', if I could!" As one redeemed from, free from, loosed from, not under, dead to and dead through the law, why would any want to go back into slavery to it? Why do so many want to starve in the desert with Hagar, living under a bush waiting to die?, insted of living under the oaks at Mamre, dwelling in the tents with Sarah, with access to everything good that is offered?

"Ah 'on't get it!"

Yet we see it all the time. Can I use an illustration of today to elucidate the point? Who in their 'right mind', would prefer to live on the streets of New York City, sleeping over a grate in the winter to keep from freezing, and eat out of a dumpster, as opposed to living in "Gracie Mansion", the residence of the Mayor of NY, and having Michael Bloomberg's (the current multi-millionaire mayor) perks, cars, expense accounts and checkbook for one's own use? That is exactly what is pictured in Galatians 4.
And we have something even better than that- residence in 'Grace Mansion'. That is where I'm gonna live! The rest of you can stay where you please.

You wanna' be a slave on a plantation, living in a cabin with a dirt floor, being maltreated, as could have been the case 150 years ago ij the USA, because of your skin pigmentation :tear: - go for it! But I was given my freedom by the Lord Jesus Christ who came into the slave market, paid the complete price, bought me with His own blood, and then set me free! :thumbsup: I like the idea a lot better, myself, and choose to accept all of the spiritual blessings alredy betowed "in the heavenlies" (Eph. 1:3) Not only do I 'feel free' to do this, I am free!

As to every aminal going up and down referring to a Gentile nation, that may be a valid 'application', but that is, at best, an unsupported 'interpretation', IMO.

Oh yeah, I still ain't eating none of them "meeces", nor locusts, nor grasshoppers!!!

Ed

 

Brother Bob, since it is your right, I'm sure many certainly "hope you get 'everything you got coming' to you!" :thumbsup: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

No doubt Ed

 

Ah, well.... least ah trahd, ya'll.

(excuse me while I fork spin some "adobo").

 

Here is what I think PinoyB,

Jesus sent/commanded the Primitive Apostles and disciples unto the Gentiles nations and even allowed persecution to drive them to the "uttermost" regions of the earth

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The vision of the sheet coming down out of heaven IMO meant BOTH the Gentile peoples and their food had been cleansed for the purpose of evangelism of the human race and to avoid judaizing them by possibly confounding law and grace.

After all how practical could it be for these first Jewish beleivers to keep a kosher table while evangelizing those who ate everything under the sun?

Consider also Acts 15 where when Peter speaking of the Gentiles and their keeping of the Law of Moses he said...

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


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24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

HankD​

 

Don't worry Bro Bob, the Lord you would need to be forgiven before he even had them sisters go to the grocery store. He's got your back covered.

 

I sure miss my English pork pies........I can't find them anywhere this side of the pond......*sigh*

Cheers,

Jim

 

I'd like to try some of that, as well, sometime. My point was not to attempt to "cut and paste" parts of 'the law' i.e. the so-called Mosaic Law, found in Exodus thru Deuteronomy, in 'commandments, judgments, and ordinances' while deleting other parts, when its all the same law given by the "Righteous Judge", unchanging in it's proclamations, and is an all or nothing proposition. BTW, do they do "country ham" where you are now from, or does it get too cold, too soon for that and you have to get it from KY or VA? Country Ham, 'red-eye' gravy, eggs, hash browns, homemade biscuits, country butter, and apple butter, cold milk, choice of juice and hot coffee- Now there's a breakfast.

The juices to choose from are Apple juice, prune juice, and orange juice. I'll take the apple juice, myself. Even if you get too much of it. it probably won't hurt you. Prune juice might cause you to have to spend an extra amount of time in the bathroom; but too much OJ could kill you.

Ed

 

What is it? Is it like a pork pot pie?

 

Amen, and we also notice in Acts 10, we heathen were seen as unclean by those of Israel, which Jesus vividly pointed out when He was on earth.

Praise God for Damascus Road or we would all have to be proselytes to that Pentecostal church of the Jews.

 

If it is meat, we eat, but I got dibs on pork ribs.