Economy trumps abortion among

There is only one ethical/moral "right" it is the ethical/moral right proclaimed by the Scriptures. There is no such thing as one thing being ethically/morally right between me and God, and the exact opposite thing being ethically/morally right between you and God. You are talking nonsense here.

You are correct. God can and does use His creation for His own purposes. His Word also teaches us that murder, including that of the unborn, is wrong. However, that does not mean that we are to check our God given brains at the door, put on blinders to the evil of killing babies, and then vote for a candiadte or party that has a legislative history and stated platform for ensuring that the slaughter of innocents continues.

It is not about anyone's "brand of Christianity." It is about the clear teaching of God's Word that murder, including murder of unborn babies, is wrong. Either you believe the Bible on this point or you do not.

There is only one correct interpretation of the Scriptures. That is the interpretation that the Holy Spirit intended when He inspired the writing of the texts. As pastors, teachers, and believers it is our responsibility to arrive at the Holy Spirit's intended interpretation and proclaim that truth to the world. The best and only way to do this is to allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves. When our presuppositions contradict the clear reading and understanding of a passage, it is our presuppositions that must be cast aside and not made to have authority over God's Word.

 

So, who got your vote? Did you vote for the candidate from a party who has promised so much to the anti-abortion group, and delivered nothing? The GOP had control of all three branches of government for most of this decade. Yet despite this, nothing was done to reverse the decision handed down in Roe v. Wade. Much was promised, nothing was delivered.

Again, you really should tone down your rhetoric.

 

Perhaps you have stumbled on the truth. Perhaps the god of some professing Christians is not the God of the Biblical revelation.

 

What he said on the campaign stump does not line up with his legistative record. Actions speak louder than words from a politician. We judge him as a candidate based on his record. You judge him as a candidate based on speeches he made while trying to convince the most people to vote for him. His speeches are a wisper while his legislative record is a vioce shouting through a megaphone.

 

You err in the claim that they delivered nothing. See the thread in the forum by AndyT on this subject.

 

........and yet the decision handed down in Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land. If there was ever a time they could have reversed it, that would have been when they controlled all three branches of government. Yet they didn't reverse it.

Sorry, but it's true whether or not you (or AndyT, for that matter) want to admit it.

 

The above statement is totally false and you know it or at least you should if you are going to make such remarks.

When Clinton was president the Republican twice passed a Bill that would outlaw Partial Birth Abortion, the first law passed by Congress restricting abortions since 1973 while democrats controlled the House. Clinton vetoed it twice. A veto over ride was approved in the House but prevented by democrats in the Senate.

When Bush was elected the Republican again passed a Bill that would outlaw Partial Birth Abortion. Bush signed it and it was upheld by the Supreme Court. BO has said he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act which may over ride the Partial Birth Abortion Act.

If McCain had been elected there was the possibility of getting another Justice and the overturning of Roe v Wade but as the OP says economy or something trumps abortion among some who profess to be Christians.

Why tone down my remarks about the murder of 3500-4000 babies each day?

 

That's absolutely correct.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

It's true, and it does not require your acceptance to be true.

And yet Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land. Congress could have passed a law, Bush could have signed it, and the GOP-controlled SCOTUS could have upheld it. Yet they didn't do anything.

Nope - you are totally wrong. If it could have been done, it would have been when the GOP controlled all three branches. The SCOTUS could overturn Roe v. Wade right now, and they haven't.

I find it amazing that any time you question the Christianity of others, it somehow involves whether or not that person supports a woman's right to choose. Are you sure you understand what defines a Christian?

You need to watch what you write about your fellow Believers. After all, a lost world can see your comments as well. As I recall, to question someone's Christianity is a violation of BB rules.

 

Ok, show me where God included the unborn in his condemnation of murder.

You keep saying this as if there is a verse that says, "thou shalt not kill" especially the unborn.

 

The problem with this logic is the many things that are on any given piece of legislation. Remember when McCain voted against troop funding? I defend him because it had a clause for timelines. My point is voting records can be very deceptive tool to base your entire view of a person.

 

If you think the Republican Party controls the Supreme Court you are beyond

 

I am going to respond to this request in detail shortly. However, before I do I must ask you something. In many posts you have indicated that as a Christian you are against abortion. If that is the case why to you question whether or not God's commandment against murder applies to the baby in the womb? Are you arguing that a person does not receive his/her "personhood" until they are outside the womb?

 

7 of the 9 U.S. Supreme Court justices were nominated by Republican presidents.

www.supremecourtus.gov/about/biographiescurrent.pdf

 

So What! That does not mean they are controlled by the Republican Party. They obviously are not if you consider some of the decisions they hand down.

 

I believe life begins at birth so I personally don't see abortion as murder. I don't argue against your perspective and totally respect your point of view. However I believe abortion is morally wrong and is in violations of biblical principals regarding respecting the sanctity of God's blessings. A baby is a gift, a gift from our Divine Creator so who are we to turn it down or abort it because it's not convenient?

We know what causes pregnancies, if one is not ready the effect then they should bypass the cause.

Now I am going to reveal a belief that will cause controversy but I ask that I not be attacked. I contend the worst man has in his arsenal against a Christian is the best thing that can happen. A martyrs death is the most admirable death we could hope for. Death is viewed as final by the carnal but to the Christian, it's our right of passage in to the life beyond. Not one of us will see Jesus face to face until we've passed through death to the other side. There will be no flesh in heaven.

I say this to say if abortion is murder, then it is a far worst thing on the aborter than on the aborted. The aborter has to live with the guilt where as the aborted got escorted by angelic pallbearers in to the bosom of Abraham. We should almost be jealous that they made it home without the agony, pains, ups and downs of this thing we call life.

 

Yes. But when Jesus Christ said "suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not for such is the kingdom of God" he did not mean to murder them to hasten their journey.

By the way life begins at conception. Have you never seen a sonogram of an unborn child? If its not alive it is sure moving around very lively.

 

I would have to object to that thought on the Biblical grounds below. Also it is my belief that for the abortionist to make that judgment upon an innocent unborn child it is always done in selfishness; further, apart from the Christians view of death, is that people have no right taking it in their own hands, denying the baby’s right to life, God's gift; and by doing so the result is that child never gets the opportunity to see, sense and experience the sun.


(Ecc 11:7) Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun:

(Ecc 5:18) Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labor that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.

(Ecc 5:19) Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labor; this is the gift of God.

(Ecc 8:15) Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labor the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.

 

Okay, this is a long response in the form of a quote from noted Christian Ethicist Scott B. Rae:

 

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Source: Rae, Scott B. Moral Choices: An Introduction to Ethics, 2 ed., Grand Rapids: Zondervan, pg. 128-132.