Effects in W/H textual criticisms

I did not because you asked me a WRONG question. Let me give you the clarity concerning W/H and the Bible. The Bible already revealed concerning God’s Words. Let’s examine what W/H said and the Bible said.

Westcott wrote to the Archbishop of Canterbury, “"No one now, I suppose, holds that the first three chapters of Genesis, for example, give a literal history. I could never understand how anyone reading them with open eyes could think they did." (See Life of Westcott)

Hort wrote to Mr. John Ellerton, “I am inclined to think that no such state as "Eden" (I mean the popular notion) ever existed, and that Adam’s fall in no degree differed from the fall of each of his descendants, as Coleridge justly argues.” (See Life of Hort)

John 5:45-47 (KJV)
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Moses could accuse them for their unbelief concerning his writings about the creation and Jesus Christ (Creator). To accuse is very obvious.

 

I am on your side. :thumbs:

 

For those who have an open mind, here are some quotes from W & H, that avoid the hatchet-job "selective editing," half-truths, and misleading statements by people such as "doctor" Riplinger:

http://www.westcotthort.com/quotes.html

 

As for W&H's salvation, I don't know because I didn't know them and get to ask them.

Has God used them? yes. How? The same way He uses anyone else, believer or non-believer.

Has every person involved in the printing and distribution of the KJV been saved? I highly doubt it, since it has been around almost 400 years and was the product of the Anglican/closet Catholic church. Does that mean that God can't use it to further His kingdom? Following the same logic used about W&H, no. Thankfully that is not the case.

I read through this thread and was flabbergasted at all the venom being poured out, namely by a single member. It is stuff like that that turns my stomach and makes me want to walk away from anyone who espouses KJVO. There is nothing wrong with being KJVO, but acting/speaking like that... there is something definitely wrong with it.

 

Or perhaps God used them to help restore the "original text" by excising some verses that were not part of the autographs.

God can use whoever, whenever, where ever he wants. Read the book of Judges; God used all kinds of despicable people (Jephthah and Samson come to mind immediately).

 

What is this "one interpretation" of which you speak? Who determined it? The Holy Spirit? Really? Because faithful men and women who have been filled with the Holy Spirit have disagreed about what certain texts in the Bible mean from the very beginning.

 

Your right; God isn't the author of confusion...but you really think that "we" someone somewhere has the "right" interpretation of all of Scripture that is without error? Who is that? The Pope? (I'm being tongue in cheek!)

 

//May I remind you of II Tim 3:16? Or is that also on your list of disrespectful remarks???//

That isn't disrespectful, so you may remind me.

I remind you the TNIV Bible says:
2 Timothy 3:16 (TNIV = Today's New International Version /Zondervan, 2006/ ):
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The TNIV includes all the different English versions of the KJV in 'all Scirpture'. I expect that the KJV1769 family of Editions includes now the TNIV.

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TCGreek: // Tell me what essential doctrines of orthodoxy have been undermined by the CT of W/H?//

Did anybody bother to address this, or do I have to read pages 4,5,and 6 just to hear a disucssion of the disucssers?

 

Strange, you don't know the difference, yet you claim non-essential doctrines are essential (calling evil good): There is no evidence in the Bible that an Angel named 'Lucifer' took on the 'Lead Devil' or that an Angel named 'Lucifer' took on the title of 'Satan = accuser'.

Do you distinguish between these three title/name methods?

1. Christ Jesus
2. Jesus Christ
3. Jesus, the Christ

'Jesus' is the name of the person.
'Christ' is the main title of the person Jesus.

Actually all three have the same meaning but in different cultures.

1. President Eisenhower (most common today in the USofA)
2. Eisenhower President (very uncommon today in the USofA)
3. Eisenhower, the President (most used when Ike was the acting President)

So there is no difference between the Three cases - in the Bible.

 

Ehud: // I highly doubt God used W&H to delete verses from our Bibles.//

None seem to be missing from my TNIV (Zondervan, 2006) Bible

Ehud: // I highly doubt God used W&H to cause the church to doubt where God's word is.//

Me neither. Ignorance = don't know, that is all it means. The only people in the church who doubt where God's word is are those who first embraced the 'Ignorance Doctrine' (God wants ignorant people to do His work)

Ehud: // I highly doubt God used W&H to take his Sons name out of the scriptures.//

Which of his Son's name is missing?
Rules of debate:
1. Don't quote someone who quotes the Scripture , quote the Scripture from the TNIV.

BTW, The Translators took the name 'Jesus' out of the Bible.
The Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition Has 'Jesus' 'or 'Iesus' in the NT 985 times;
the KJV1611 Edition has 'Iesus' in the NT 981 times. Yep, 'Iesus' done gone missing four times from the Geneva to the KJV. In fact, 'Jesus' isn't in the KJV1611 Edition, it is spelled 'Iesus'. Oh, oh - Jesus isn't in the KJV1611 - who stole my Lord's name out of the KJV?

Ehud: // I highly doubt God used Westcott and Hort to divide and cause confusion in His church.//

Me neither. Ignorance = don't know, that is all it means. The only people in the church who are confused are those who first embraced the 'Ignorance Doctrine' (God wants ignorant people to do His work)

Ehud: // I highly doubt that God would use two men who had very little regard for Scriptures.//

God bless W&H for their work in Bringing us the pure, inerrant Bible down to us in very close to the exact wording. Amen!

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