Elevation of women in the church and in society

There's that term of respect again, right? :laugh: You honestly think your criticism bothers me? I'm a woman so I guess I should go off in the corner and cry. As Cutter so eloquently put it- NOT!

Yes, I daresay it would stink to a man of your caliber. My husband and I are one. I willingly submit to him. God wouldn't want it any other way.

Here's a suggestion look up the term oxymoron. Here I'll help you a little- ox·y·mo·ron. I'm sure you'll find it enlightening. Cutter you may want to heed this advice as well.

(For those uneducated slow types- If your nose is stuck up in the air you are obviously missing everything that is going on around you)

Okay, now I'm really done.

Mods- when exactly will this thread be closed? We have long since surpassed the 30 page mark.......

 

Thank you Cutter, I looked at these and I agree.

Ultimately it is the evil one who has a vested interest in upsetting the ancient order that God Himself esablished.

HankD

 

How easily we forget our promises and make ourselves liars.

On all that other "stuff" spoken... I can't help but be reminded of Charlie Brown's teacher.

"whaaa wahh wahhhh whaa whah whahh whah whaaw whaaaaaw waw whaw whhhah"

Back to the topic, if at all possible!

 

Until a mod closes this it will keep going because everyone has to have the last word

 

Amen and exactly.

Getting back to topic. As a teacher, one thing that is pressed hard in public schools is "non-gender" identity. For example, teachers are strictly forbidden to stop a seven year old boy from playing with a barbie and saying, "son, those are for girls". That is just a simple example, but the push is gender neutrality.

There are many boys that are not trained to be the men that they are called to be. Thus said, it is almost as if women have to take up the role of leadership in some homes due to the lack thereof in the male. I am not promoting this, just observing.

I once had an extremely liberal women's lib teacher at the liberal arts college I recieved my teaching degree from, tell me that she wished her husband would take the helm and lead, but that he wouldn't and she was therefore forced to wear the pants. It was really an amazing and pitiful story.

 

:laugh: Very true and very sad.

Your reproof has been duly noted. :tonofbricks:

 

Are you speaking for yourself here as well?

 

I left the tread...wasn't going to post anymore.....but I just HAD to say.....


The Last Word!!!

 

Not fair you having the last word Dale...

 

Let (s)he who is without sin cast the FIRST stone.

Let (s)he who is without grace have the LAST word.

 

Sometimes I just cannot resist temptation. Over the last couple of days I have scanned most of this thread, which shows how little it takes to entertain me and how much time I am willing to waste.

For the most part everyone has been beating dead horses because it does not appear that anyone's opinion has been broaden or changed. My opinion is that, although the OP may have contained a serious question, we have chosen sides so that we can bash each other over the head with our Bibles (the bigger the better).

It appears to me that each family represented here has worked out their own situation according to their own beliefs. As long as they are comfortable with their own arrangement (and no one is being abused), that's fine.

The problems that I have with the way this thread has played itself out is that it is not enough for someone to declare their opinion, they also have to castigate everyone else who does not believe as they do (e. g., calling them "heretical", or "the antichrist"). Another problem that I have (which I have mentioned on another thread) is the use of the Bible as an "answer book" that does not require the user to do any thinking or to directly engage the issue at hand. You simply find the scripture verse that backs up your opinion, declare it to be "God's Word!!", and you're done. I feel that this is an unfeeling and impersonal practice that does not respect the other person's humanity and dignity. The other problem that I see with this is that it limits God and what God might want to do in the future. The discussion about Deborah could have turned in this direction, but it didn't. I suspect that it made at least a few people uncomfortable.

Finally, just so there won't be any doubt as to where I stand on the issue at hand, I have no problems at all with women in authority. I have worked with women, worked for women, been fired by a woman, been preached to by women, been taught by women, learned from women, and enjoy the company of women, especially my wife's company. I even considered having a woman serve as the "best man" in my wedding. I see the unwillingness of men to see the full value of women's contributions to business, society, community, church, etc., to be, at least in part, a fear that they might have better ideas or be more competent than the men. That I find to be really sad.

Tim Reynolds

 

That might be me!

Tim Reynolds

 

He said while imagining his post would be the last in an attempt to induce a false shame and thusly silencing any other comments all the while not realizing his post would qualify him as the one with the graceless last word...but alas those of us underneath his level of righteousness are here to save him from such a dilemma. :type: :laugh:

 

Since it has become a last word competition, I suppose we might as well close the thing...

Honestly, someone else can post after this...