England & the USA

And who in their right minds would ever believe that the Lemba, a Bantu-speaking people of southern Africa, would, after centuries of legend and myths and traditions, end up being proved by genetics to carry in their male chromosomes a set of DNA sequences that is distinctive of the cohanim, the Jewish priests believed to be the descendants of Aaron.

 

Let me know when you have any kind of evidence for Queen Elizabeth sitting on the throne of David or George Bush ruling over Manasseh.

 

Or that Peter lies buried beneath Saint Peter's Basilica.
Ofcourse in both cases there waere much better clues in place than the ones underpinning British-Israelism.

 

Or Jeremiah moving to Ireland.

 

Roger
Well, my post was supposed to follow right after the one produced by LadyEagle.
It's pretty certain that Peter lies buried beneath that pompous church they named after him.

 

Whoops! Guess I got a little carried away.

Would still like to see proof that Jeremiah came to Ireland.

 

Then please show me Bible evidence that England is Ephraim and the US in Manasseh, not conjecture based in what "must be" true based on myths and legends.

I have no problems with people choosing to believe their own views of history. Just let's not try to pass it off as REAL history.

 

This is 100% accurate.

 

John 1
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Just to re-align our (or mine anyway) priorities.

HankD

 

While there is nothing in our Bibles that states that England is Ephraim and the USA is Manasseh, it does not remove the fact that there must be people living in the earth today as numerous as the stars of heaven and the sand of the seashore, just as God promised to Abraham. There must also be a descendant of David ruling over Israel in these latter days somewhere in the earth(Jeremiah 33:17-21). Where did all of those Israelites whom Josephus stated as living outside of Palestine that could not be numbered actually go. It is curious that at the same time in world history that the House of Israel dropped off of the map that different tribes began to sweep across Europe with their destination as the British Isles and northwest Europe. Why did Christianity spread westward to Europe? Were the disciples searching for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel? It is also interesting to note that the history of the germanic tribes can be traced back only so far. Could this be the fulfillment of Hosea 2:6? If I were a detective searching for Lost Israel and I took all of the biblical marks to identify them, I would probably stake my career in identifying them as being found in Europe, the British Isles and her colonies. We would do well to remember tht there is an element of truth in most legends and to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Just my humble 2 cents.

 

Since the Bible says that Jesus told the Apostles to go to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel," why would it be wrong to assume they followed His instructions? And, if they obeyed and did go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, then the "claim that Christianity was brought to Glastonbury by the Apostles" would leave one to deduce that some of the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" were in the British Isles and the traditional claim or "verbal history" is, indeed, based in fact, as noted in the source below.

From Wikipedia:

Wikipedia

 

Amazing the lengths people will go to trying to prove a point that has no solid evidence.

The wonderful thing about early history is that if it fits my point of view I can find enough legends and myths to support it.

Since Mardoc of Wales might have sailed to Mobile and Brendan of Ireland might have sailed to America well before 1000 AD why do we need England? Why can't we just claim that the US is modern day Israel and claim all of the promises of God for ourselves?

Read this quote from the post above by Wikipdia

I am something of a historian. I am still looking for the first glimmer of documentation of this "history." If this so important. If England truly is Ephraim and the US truly is Manasseh don't you think that the designer of all history would have given us some shred of evidence? The Bible passages referred to are vague and general. They never mention England or the US. The historical records are anecdotal and based on tradition and verbal history.

All I want is one scrape of hard evidence. Can anyone produce it?

 

Interestingly enough all the hard evidence we have when it comes to groups of Jews scattered accross the globe points to obscure groups like the Lemba instead of the English speaking world.

 

For those that do not believe in the possibility of Israel being found in England and the USA, would you mind stating your beliefs about modern day Israel(the people, not the little Jewish nation in the Middle East). How do you believe God fulfulled His material and spiritual promises to Abraham, Isaac,Jacob and David?

 

Like everyone else who is honest, I don't know. I have NO, none, not any evidence that God's promises are fulfilled by England and the US, so neither I, nor anyone else really KNOWS.

It is all guessing and conjecture.

Remember, all I want is one scrape of solid evidence from the word of God or history.

God's ways and His thoughts are not our ways and thoughts.

 

In Antiquitates Apostolicae, the Greek historian Metaphrastes states on page 45 "Peter was not only in these western parts but particularly he was a long time in Britain, where he converted many nations to the faith." On page 148 we see the statement that "after the death of Stephen, James came to these western parts, particularly into Spain where he planted Christianity.

In De Demonstratione Evangelii, Lib. 111 Eusebius(260-340 A.D.)states "the apostles passed beyond the ocean to the isles called Britannic Isles."

A further historical witness occurred at the Council of Pisa in 1409 when the ambassadors of France and Spain claimed to be the eldest daughters of the church in the west. The French and Spanish were informed by the Council that they "must yield precedence to the British Church as this had been FOUNDED BY JOSEPH OF ARIMATHEA immediately after the Passion of Christ." This ruling was upheld at the Council of Constance 1417, Sienna 1424, and Basle in 1434. Archbishop Ussher even stated that the basis of this claim was the burial of Joseph of Arimathea at Glastonbury and the donation of twelve hides of land. The Domesday Book, published in 1087 tells us of: "The Domus Dei, in the great monastery of Glastonbury, called the Secret of the Lord. This Glastonbury Church possesses, in its own ville XII hides of land which have never paid tax."

In Historia de Rebus Britannicis(540 A.D.) Maelgwyn writes," The Isle of Avalon greedy of burials, received thousands of sleepers, among whom Joseph de Marmore from Aramathea by name, entered his perpetual sleep. And he lies in a bifurcated line next the southern angle of the oratory made of circular wattles by thirteen inhabitants of the place over the powerful adorable Virgin."

Surely all of this cannot be just pure conjecture and fantasy. There are too many whispers from world history telling us that the Apostles came to Britain and planted the Faith of our Fathers.