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The Harvest said:

i'm not changing the subject

I don't recall my church affiliation coming up anywhere in this thread.

I think i can return the same question unto you. Do you speak Greek? Do you speak Hebrew?

Not even germane to the question. Why don't you just deal with what I said rather than try to change the subject again?

 

this was your question scott. i'm trying to answer it you pompous fool.

 

So answer it. What's stopping you?

[ January 23, 2003, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Ransom ]

 

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

you're a Calvinist, that's what

 

Thank you for admitting you can't come up with a single good reason why I should buy into your KJV-only nonsense.

 

Oh no.............! another KJBOnly discussion... help me before I punch myself in the face!!!!!

But seriously folks, this is one of the most Christ-UNlike discussions I've seen on the BB.

 

i just have better things to do with my time than argue with an apostate over questions that have already been answered time and time again. good bye

 

How come it wasn't a waste of time before you couldn't answer my question?

 

The originals that God directly inspired were never in one book to read. Were they not the Word of God?

 

Matthew 5:22 -- But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his Brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

You have picked an interesting way to refer to God's word. To call a faithful translation "cow dung" is wholly outside the bounds of Christian decency. To refer to God's word with so little respect is apalling.</font>[/QUOTE](1 John 2:9-11 NIV) Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. {10} Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. {11} But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.

Ahemm....getting BACK to the original discussion, I would say -again- that the ESV is the BEST translation available today, that it WILL be the #1 translation in the next decade, and that my only 'quarrel' with the ESV is the quality of the Bibles published thusfar.

As to the 'tone' of the above arguments, well, I think that apologies and repentance are in order for some folks here.

 

I have heard this Bible recommended at my
synagogue, although no one seems to be
carrying them. Is it out in its completed form?

Someone mentioned the quality of the books.
What has been wrong with their quality? I have
had enough Bibles fall apart within months, and I
don't want to go through that again, should i buy
one.

How does it compare to the NASB. Better?
Worse? Why? In what ways?

Dynamic equivalence?

Who is putting these Bibles out?

Thank you.

With regard to harvest, he is quite young and
having a bit of a male identity crisis as well as a
power struggle. There are many younger here
who do far better in both areas. I haave come to
enjoy and appreciate the wisom in the young
men on this board, but this one is difficult.

 

Abiyah said:

I have heard this Bible recommended at my
synagogue, although no one seems to be
carrying them. Is it out in its completed form?

Yes, but it has only been available for a little over a year. Obviously, it needs time to gain acceptance. The NIV didn't take over the market in a day, either.

Someone mentioned the quality of the books.
What has been wrong with their quality?

I have a hardcover edition of the ESV, and it has held up quite well after being used almost daily for nearly a year. I have heard that Crossway's leatherbound editions suffer from poor binding quality, but I don't know the specifics.

How does it compare to the NASB. Better?
Worse? Why? In what ways?

It is approximately as literal a translation as the NASB. Being a revision of the RSV, however, its English style is superior - to the point of actually being quite the page-turner in some places.

Who is putting these Bibles out?

Crossway Books is the publisher.

The Translation Oversight Committee includes a number of notable conservative evangelicals: Wayne Grudem, Vern Poythress, William Mounce, and J. I. Packer to name a few. The list of translators and the advisory coucil reads like a who's who of contemporary evangelical scholarship. The ESV has wide mainstream support.

 

The originals that God directly inspired were never in one book to read. Were they not the Word of God?</font>[/QUOTE]Bump to Harvest. I am interested in your answer. If it is pre-requisite for a single book to contain every word from Genesis to Revelation, were the originals the Word of God or not?

[ January 24, 2003, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: Scotty aka Scott J ]

 

With regard to harvest, he is quite young and
having a bit of a male identity crisis as well as a power struggle. There are many younger here
who do far better in both areas. I haave come to
enjoy and appreciate the wisom in the young
men on this board, but this one is difficult.

Abiyah, please do not consider Harvest representative of the young men on this board. I am young and wish to gain the respect of others on this board.

 

Sorry Abiyah but 25 is plenty old enough to know better.

 

Sodzei --

I doubt you will have to work at it. 8o)
No, I would never measure the other young people
by him.

- - - - - -

Scott --

You are right, of course, but some of us just
mature more slowly. 8o)

 

Poor wittle baby. Did you get your wittle feeling hurt. Go home to daddy Ruckman and let him kiss it and make it better.

This is typical of these KJVonlyist. After their rhetoric has ended, and they cannot support their warped view of Scriptural preservation, they get mad and leave. Don't worry, they will (unfortunately) be back.

 

On a serious note,
I bought a ESV bible from the christian bookstore my wife works at, but the quality of the binding was very questionable. I returned this bible to the store. I think that the ESV is probably a good, if not great, translation, however, I am somewhat confused. So many people on this board think the ESV is wonderful and will be very popular in the next decade. The problem is that, so far, this bookstore has not sold even one copy of the ESV, and I do not know anyone who has even looked at this translation, let alone purchased one. Why such a slow start with such a good translation?