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ENPR: Hillary's Wins Raise Prospect of the Unthinkable -- A Contested Convention

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member

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    A group of prominent Democrats was being formed secretly to go to Clinton to ask her to bow out for the sake of party solidarity. Now, neither candidate, counting their current super-delegates and potential unpledged delegates, can win a majority of delegates even after the Pennsylvania primary April 22. It is hard to imagine either bowing out. That raises the possibility of carnage in Denver with the super-delegates and the disputed Michigan and Florida delegations in play.
     
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    ...and the eventual victory of Sen. John McCain.
     
  3. Revmitchell

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    If I remember correctly Ladyeagle said she voted for Hillary in the primary in her area. The news on the local radio reported a big number of republicans voting for Hillary in Ohio. It appears that the republican strategy to vote for Hillary may be having its effect.
     
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    I wouldn't bet on it if the economy is in the toilet this autumn, which I think it will be(unfortunately).
     
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    After 8 years of GW Bush the country is going to elect another Republican? Hardly.
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    McCain is a republican by name only.
     
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    I am afraid you are right...

    NO matter who wins now, we will have a democrat president this fall.

    Why should republicans even vote now...
    This is the first election I have ever thought of sitting out on.

    What's the point.... whoever wins, Christians lose.
     
  8. StefanM

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    McCain is conservative. He's not Ron Paul, but he's definitely not Hillary Clinton, either.

    Anyone who thinks that Obama or Clinton and McCain are essentially the same is living in a dream world.
     
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    Most Republicians are Republican in name only these days. Traditionally Republicians are for fiscal restraint. The last 8 years have seen the largest spending spree in our history ... one that should make anyone who calls him/herself a Republician blush with shame. :tonofbricks:
     
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    Well, that's one good thing!
     
  11. Revmitchell

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    Most certainly. He should have never bought into all those entitlment programs. However a large protion of this spending was due to 911 and a necessary war in Iraq.
     
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    It is a significant portion, yes, but the other spending that President Bush and Republican Congress increased was even more.

    And, invading Iraq was a war of choice, not necessity, as Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on these United States on 9/11/2001.
     
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    Repeated breaking of the cease fire agreement, 12 years of snubbing their nose at Weapons inspectors, a history chemical weapons use, the slaughter of his own people are all valid reasons for going in.
     
  14. JamieinNH

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    Assuming this is enough of an agrument to go to war, why didn't they use those points when they were drumming up support for the war with Iraq. Why did they have to reply on a bunch of mistruths and lies instead?

    Jamie
     
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    You are right on both accounts Ken. This adminstration has overspent like a drunken salior and yet most Republicans give him a pass...

    As far as the war goes, it can also be argued that we wouldn't have to spend that much money if we had gone in, toppled Saddam(won the war) and then left.

    Then we could have used the money that we are spending on this war for border patrol. Schools, education, etc... Instead we waste over 1 million dollars per day on a war that can't be won any more than it has already.

    Jamie
     
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    Maybe you should go back and check again. They most certainly did. And there were no mistruths and lies. Zero, zilch, nada.
     
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    It is the schools that spend money like a drunken sailor. They don't need any more until they start actually educating our children and stop being socialist enforcers.
     
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    Those who sit in the comfort of their cushy office or home and advocate prolonged war without having ever served should be sent to the front lines without delay.

    These are the people that wave the flag, sing "God Bless America", run down the interstate with their flags flying. And why, because it is entertainment to them, and they do not have to make any sacrifice. They get a real rush watching it on their wide screen TVs. Their patriotism is hallow, and their commitment is shallow.
     
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    I agree that there is some waste in schools, but I don't think we spend enough for teacher salaries, for kids education to make sure our kids are taught right.

    I have several teachers that as friends and their "allowance" for shopping for the year is so small that they pay for most of the things out of their pockets. Mind you, these are teachers that care about their students and are not just working there because it's a nice comfy job..

    As any system, there needs to be a shake up, get the people out that aren't in it for the kids.. Allow them to spend and intrigue(sp) the kids and help them want to learn.

    I stand by my statment, we need to spend more on schools.. Spend it correctly, but spend more.

    Jamie
     
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    Oh there were certainly mistruths or lies.. Here are a few:

    1. Uranium from Africa
    2. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges
    3. Solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade
    4. We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases


    Here is another link: http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

    Now, I am not arguing that we shouldn't have gone in and gotten rid of Saddam, but it should have ended there.

    So, if you are correct in your list of reasons to go to war with Iraq, then I have to ask why all the lies, and yes there were lies. It can't be denied, although I am sure you will continue to try.

    Jamie
     
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