Featured Eph. 2:8-9 parallel with Titus 3:5 on good works

I speak God’s Truth. You are the one who pits scripture against scripture.

Being saved then and now is about believing and obeying, that is the gospel, that is Christ.

The law is not based on faith. However, those who had faith in God, they still had to obey the law. Jesus redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
You see, you keep teaching that the Jews and Gentiles were saved in the Old Testament by the Holy Spirit indwelling them, that is not true, you go against scripture. Scripture says there was a promise, and the promise was given in the New Covenant. The Old Testament people were saved by believing and obeying God, in the New Testament we are saved the same way, by believing and obeying God, and now Gentiles can have salvation.

Faith in Jesus Christ was not revealed until the New Testament, see Galatians 3:23.

 

Luke 24:24-25 is about Jesus being prophesied in the Old Testament. That does not mean faith in Jesus Christ was possible.

The Old Testament righteous people who died before Jesus came to earth, they did not in their time get to see the promised salvation through Jesus Christ, the grace that was to come (1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:19; Romans 16:25-26; 1 Corinthians 4:1).

Paul says about the faithful in the Old Testament times, "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect."

Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 1 Peter 1:10

trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:11

It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. 1 Peter 1:12

Did you read that Biblicist? Are you now going to stop believing falseness?

Jesus was prophesized about in the Old Testament, but that does not mean people were able to believe in Jesus yet.

The Old Testament looked for the promise, the promise that had NOT yet come. The promise did not come until Jesus came to the earth.
Read this powerful and beautiful scripture…

And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 2 Peter 2:8-9.

WE HAVE THE WORD OF THE PROPHETS MADE CERTAIN. As to a light shining in a dark place, UNTIL THE DAY DAWNS AND THE MORNING STAR RISES IN YOUR HEARTS. The morning star could not rise in hearts until the morning star appeared fully, and that was when Jesus came and was revealed .

 

A person could obey the works of the law like circumcision, and sin offerings, but that did not tell what was in their hearts. A person could do the works of the law and still desire to sin. The works of the law justified no one.

Abraham was justified by faith and his actions. Abraham was righteous for believing and obeying God. Faith in Jesus was not yet possible. Even though Abraham believed in God, Abraham did what God said, and that included circumcision.

There are prophets in the New Testament!

Gentiles were excluded from God and Christ in the Old Testament. Why do you KEEP ignoring scripture!
Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Biblicist is making things up about me that are not true.
The gospel that was preached in the Old Testament is the same gospel that is preached in the New Testament, and that is to BELIEVE GOD AND OBEY. That is what saved then, and that is what saves now.

Oh how I love the Word of God!

 

You are spending more time personally attacking than discussing the scriptures. Stop your irritating rants. Debating with you is an uncomfortable miserable experience.
Give an answer to the scriptures I gave you. You rant and speak all kinds of slander, but you ignore most the scriptures I give.
Here, I will post again some scriptures I gave you to explain the truth. Explain them with your understanding, and let the readers decide for themselves.
The Old Testament righteous people who died before Jesus came to earth, they did not in their time get to see the promised salvation through Jesus Christ, the grace that was to come (1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:19; Romans 16:25-26; 1 Corinthians 4:1).

Why do you have no control over yourself? Stop with the hostile foul-mouthed attacks.
People obeyed the law. Is it in the law to be circumcised? Yes. Did people obey the law and are circumcised? YES. Are sin offerings in the law? Yes. Did people give sin offerings? Yes. Was it in the law to observe special days? Yes. Did people observe special days? Yes.
The law was to be obeyed. It does not mean people did not break the law, but it sure does not mean what you are claiming, and that is no one ever kept the law. That is just a dead argument from you.
Matthew 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You say I speak a lie straight out of hell for saying “Faith in Jesus Christ was not revealed until the New Testament, see Galatians 3:23.”
Now everyone, read Galatians 3:23, and tell me if I spoke different the scriptures:
Galatians 3:23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
Galatians 3:24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
The scriptures plainly say BEFORE THIS FAITH CAME, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until FAITH should be revealed. Faith in Christ was not revealed until Jesus came and the good news was preached.

Acts 10:43 does not say what you say it does. The prophets in the Old Testament prophesied about what was going to be, not of what was! Prophets in the New Testament along with the Apostles, with Jesus Christ as chief cornerstone laid the foundation…the foundation was not laid in the Old Testament, as Biblicist is claiming. Biblicist is teaching that all could believe in Jesus and be saved, when Jesus had not even come yet. People had to believe in God in the Old Testament, but when Jesus came, God gave them to Jesus, and all have to go through Jesus to get to the Father.

 

This is what I said:
“Gentiles were excluded from God and Christ in the Old Testament. Why do you KEEP ignoring scripture!”
This is what Biblicist said in reply:

Now, Biblicist IGNORED the scripture that I quoted and went AGAINST the scripture. Here is the scripture in which I quoted:
Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.
The scriptures plainly and clearly explain that the Gentiles were EXCLUDED, yet Biblicist will not acknowledge God’s Word, but instead he is riled up against the truth I speak and slanders me by saying I make Peter a liar.
Here is another scripture that explains the Gentiles were not with God in the world:
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

 

Read each of these scriptures. Does it sound to anyone that in the Old Testament Gentiles were loved by God? Does it sound like Gentiles were God’s people?

As he says in Hosea: "I will call them 'my people' who are not my people; and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one," Romans 9:25

Hosea 2:23 I will plant her for myself in the land; I will show my love to the one I called 'Not my loved one.' I will say to those called 'Not my people,' 'You are my people'; and they will say, 'You are my God.'"

1 Peter 2:10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

If anyone can see, then they will be able to see from the scriptures that only in the New Covenant the New Testament are Gentiles able to be loved by God and called God’s people.

 

Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

Ruth 1:16-18 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. When she saw that she was stedfastly minded to go with her, then she left speaking unto her.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Hebrews 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

Hebrews 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

All these OT people were saved by faith. They were Gentiles. Most of them were outside of any OT covenant, not Jews, and saved by faith, just like the rest of us are saved.

In fact after the preaching of Jonah, an entire nation repented in sackcloth and ashes and turned to God, from the lowest to the highest--they all put their faith in God--the Ninevites.

They were loved by God, spared by God, became God's children.

 

God had mercy on Nineveh and did not destroy them all. How is that calling them His people?

Ruth married a Jew named Boaz, and believed in God and obeyed the law.

Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, are all blood related.
For you to use Noah, Enoch, and Abraham as an example of Gentiles being God’s people is boggling. Did you not ever wonder why and how it is that all those who are God's people are related?

Rahab lived among the Jews. Those who lived among the Jews had to obey God.

Notice that I gave you scripture that says the Gentiles were excluded, but you ignored those scriptures, then went against them with all those other scriptures, that do not prove what you thought it did.
Read each of these scriptures. Does it sound to anyone that in the Old Testament Gentiles were loved by God? Does it sound like Gentiles were God’s people?

As he says in Hosea: "I will call them 'my people' who are not my people; and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one," Romans 9:25

Hosea 2:23 I will plant her for myself in the land; I will show my love to the one I called 'Not my loved one.' I will say to those called 'Not my people,' 'You are my people'; and they will say, 'You are my God.'"

1 Peter 2:10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

If anyone can see, then they will be able to see from the scriptures that only in the New Covenant the New Testament are Gentiles able to be loved by God and called God’s people.

 

Of course Rom.10:13 is in the NT, as is Acts 10:43, and 1Cor.15:1-4, all of which clearly spell out the gospel message which is for both Jew and Gentile alike. Salvation is through Christ alone without works. Ask Jesus in John 14:6.

If it is the Scripture that corrects then praise the Lord!

That is not what he did in Acts 17:11.
That is not what any of his sermons were about. Read the Book of Acts.
What disturbed the people when he preached? Whenever he mentioned the Gentiles, the Jews got angry. Whenever he mentioned the Resurrection, the Gentiles got upset. "Covenants" had nothing to do with his preaching. If it did, show it through Scripture.

Acts 17:3-4 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
--Here it was the resurrection that was the turning point. It was at this point also that persecution began as well.

Acts 17:19-20 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
Acts 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
--Again, they heard him up to the resurrection, and then began to mock.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Acts 18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

And Paul giving his testimony:
Acts 22:21-23 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles. And they gave him audience unto this word, and then lifted up their voices, and said, Away with such a fellow from the earth: for it is not fit that he should live. And as they cried out, and cast off their clothes, and threw dust into the air,
--He didn't preach covenants; he preached Christ.

And he was. The gospel was a stumbling block to the Jews. The Jews rejected Christ. That has nothing to do with covenants, but with the gospel, the Christ whom they rejected.

"This do in remembrance of me." That is not the Gospel. That is the beginning of the Lord's Supper. Where does this red herring come from?

Who taught the Gentiles about the Law. Who was their teacher. The Jews would not even enter their houses. It was against their (Rabbinical) law to come in contact with them. They were ignorant about Jewish law as they were ignorant about Christ.

No, you perverted Scripture that you have no idea what it means, and then you expect others to believe your perversion of Scripture.

So what? I can show you the gospel from the Book of Genesis. What does it matter what book I use, as long as the gospel is presented?

The protoevangelium, or "first gospel" is in Genesis 3:15. Someone once said:
In the OT Christ is concealed;
In the NT Christ is revealed.
But Christ is in all the Bible, OT and NT, nevertheless. There is nothing stopping one from believing in Christ from the OT.
[quote[That was in the New Testament, not the Old Testament.[/quote]
And your point is??
The churches of the NT are made up of both Jew and Gentile believers.
The Jews gave up their religions as the pagans gave up theirs.

You have no argument because you refuse to come to an understanding of this verse. Of course many things have been known for ages, like:
There is a God; He created the world; He dwells in the heavens not made with hands; and many other things. The heavens declare the glory of God.
But that is not the point of Acts 15. They were instructions given to silence the Judaizers who were saying (like you) that works were necessary for the gospel to save. But it is only faith in Christ that saves. That message Paul was to take to the Gentiles and to condemn these Judaizers that had been following him. The matter had been settled now once and for all.
You have been taking this Scripture out of context because you don't understand it.

No he cannot. There is one sacrifice. The sacrifices have stopped. The Jewish religion is over. It is wrong. Just as one cannot be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time; one cannot be a Jew and a Christian at the same time.

Just like the Muslims are today. All who do not believe in Jesus are "cut off." They will end up in the Lake of Fire.

They WILL be saved. That has nothing to do with the first century or the present century, but only with the future.

You can't pull a verse like that out of its context. The context is grace. Read verse 6.