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    Ephesians Chapter 1 Verses 1-5

    “Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, to the saints who are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, even as He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without defect before Him in love, having predestined us for adoption as children through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His desire”

    This is a much used passage by the “Reformed/Calvinists”, to try to “prove” from the Bible, that God has from eternity past, already “chosen” some, that is, “the elect”, for their salvation. And has “predestined” them to their salvation, without them having to do anything.

    Does this passage actually say what these would have us believe? The answer is no. Their “theology” of “election/predestination”, are not found in this passage, nor in any other passage in the entire Holy Bible. Because, their understanding of this, makes the offer of the Gospel, which is to the entire human race, as Jesus says in Mark 16:15, “Go into all the world, and preach the Good News to the whole creation”. In the Greek the end reads, “πάσῃ τῇ κτίσει”, which is literally, “to every single person in Creation”, which is brought out by the use of the singular, “πάσῃ”, which denotes, “individuals”. It is not a “general” call through the preaching of the Gospel Message, but “particular”, to each and every human being.

    In the first place, the passage in Ephesians 1, is addressed “to the saints who are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Christ Jesus”, which is to those who are already born-again believers.

    In the second place, Paul says to these Christians, that, “God has chosen them in Himself before the foundation of the world”. Interesting, that Paul does not use the Greek word, “ἐκλεκτός” (elect), but rather, “ἐκλέγω” (choose). This latter word is also used in John 6:70, “Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen (ἐκλέγω) you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”, where it is also used for Judas. Our English word “choose”, can also have the meaning of “to desire, wish”.

    In the third place, we read, “that we would be holy and without defect before Him in love”. Paul here gives us the reason for this “choice”, or “desire” of God, “εἶναι ἡμᾶς”, “for us to be”, “holy and without defect before Him in love”. This is how God has decided in eternity past, that those who are in Jesus Christ, ought to live. In Ephesians 2:10, we have very similar language used, “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them”. Here the word, “προετοιμάζω (hath before ordained)”, cannot refer to “predestination to life”, which is not what Paul is here talking about, but, that as believers we should live our lives doing good. Again, like in 1:4, this is seen as something that God has already “decided”, how those who are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, ought to live their lives. We also note from Ephesians 2:10, that even though it says, that God has “ordained before”, how we ought to live, that not all those who are the saved, do so.

    In the fourth place, the “predestination” that Paul speaks of in verse 4, “προορίζω”, is to “decide beforehand”, that those who are the faithful saints, are “adopted” into the family of God. Not as the Reformed/Calvinists use this, that it means “predestination to eternal life”. This is not found in this passage at all!

    In the fifth place, we are told in verse 13 of this chapter, when this “adoption”, of these faithful saints takes place. “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit”. In the Greek, the words, “ἀκούσαντες” and “πιστεύσαντες”, are not as in the KJV, “after ye heard”, and “after ye believed”. There is not sequence of time here, and they should be correctly translated, “upon hearing...upon believing”. These were at their time of accepting (hearing) the Gospel, by faith (believing), that they were made children of God (Sealed by the Spirit), is in ownership.
     
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    Sorry, but no. The OP presents an invalid argument for the truth that Ephesians 1:4 does not refer to our individual election to salvation.
    1) God chose us - God chose those alive and reading this letter in the present - thus individuals that had been placed in Christ in their present lifetime

    2) in Him - God chose the Second Person of the Trinity to be His Redeemer and consequently chose corporately those His Redeemer would redeem,

    3) The individual choice of Christ and the corporate choice of redemption occurred before creation.

    4) Judas was not elected to salvation but was elected to fulfill the "betrayer" prophecy.

    5) God's plan of redemption included making holy and blameless all those redeemed with the blood of the Lamb.

    6) God's plan of redemption included the promise of bodily redemption, and God's pledge for this promise is our indwelt Spirit.

    7) Yes the promise of bodily redemption is only made after our faith is credited as righteousness
     
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    You arguing for Calvinism :eek:
     
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    Not for Calvinism or Arminianism because both believe individuals are chosen for salvation before creation, but that view is precluded by scripture.

    I do believe, however, that individuals are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, during their lifetime, after they were once not a people (chosen by God to be His possession.) 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 Peter 2:9-10.
     
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    Arminianism does not teach that anyone is chosen for salvation before they repent and believe
     
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    Here are the references that fit with predestination and being chosen. There are more
    arguments based upon various passages, but hopefully this suffices as a start for you.
    Predestined:
    Romans 8:29
    For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his
    Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
    Romans 8:30
    And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also
    justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
    Ephesians 1: 3-6
    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ
    with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before
    the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In
    love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the
    purpose of his will, 6
    to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us
    in the Beloved.
    Ephesians 1:11-12
    In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the
    purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,12 so that we
    who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
    Chosen
    Old Testament
    Genesis 18:19
    19 For I have chosen him, that he may command his children and his household after
    him to keep the way of the LORD by doing righteousness and justice, so that
    the LORD may bring to Abraham what he has promised him.”
    Deuteronomy 7:6 & 14:2
    “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to
    be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of
    the earth.
    1 Samuel 10:24
    And Samuel said to all the people, “Do you see him whom the Lord has chosen? There
    is none like him among all the people.” And all the people shouted, “Long live the king!”
    (Referring to God’s choice of David.)
    Psalm 33:12
    Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his
    heritage!
    Psalm 105:6
    O offspring of Abraham, his servant, children of Jacob, his chosen ones!
    Psalm 105:26
    He sent Moses, his servant, and Aaron, whom he had chosen.
    Psalm 105:43
    So he brought his people out with joy, his chosen ones with singing.
    Psalm 106:23
    Therefore he said he would destroy them— had not Moses, his chosen one, stood in
    the breach before him, to turn away his wrath from destroying them.
    Isaiah 41:8-9
    But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my
    friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners,
    saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.”
    Isaiah 42:1
    Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put
    my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.
    Isaiah 43:10
    “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that
    you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was
    formed, nor shall there be any after me.
     
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    continued...
    Isaiah 44:2
    Thus says the Lord who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you:
    Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.
    Isaiah 65:9
    I will bring forth offspring from Jacob, and from Judah possessors of my mountains;
    my chosen shall possess it, and my servants shall dwell there.
    Haggai 2:23
    On that day, declares the Lord of hosts, I will take you, O Zerubbabel my servant, the
    son of Shealtiel, declares the Lord, and make you like a signet ring, for I
    have chosen you, declares the Lord of hosts.”
    Zechariah 3:2
    And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, O Satan! The Lord who
    has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is not this a brand plucked from the fire?”
    New Testament
    Matthew 22:13-14
    Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the
    outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 For many
    are called, but few are chosen.”
    John 13:18
    I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be
    fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’
    Acts 9:15
    But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name
    before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.
    Acts 10:39-41
    And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in
    Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40 but God raised him
    on the third day and made him to appear, 41 not to all the people but to us who had been
    chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
    Romans 1:1
    This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and
    sent out to preach his Good News.
    Romans 11:5
    So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
    1 Corinthians 1:1-2
    This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and
    from our brother Sosthenes. 2
    I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have
    been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ
    Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus
    Christ, their Lord and ours.
    2 Corinthians 1:1
    This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and
    from our brother Timothy.
    Ephesians 1:1
    This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am
    writing to God’s holy people in Ephesus, who are faithful followers of Christ Jesus.
    Philippians 1:1
    This letter is from Paul and Timothy, slaves of Christ Jesus. I am writing to all of God’s
    holy people in Philippi who belong to Christ Jesus, including the elders and deacons.
    (Holy means “set-apart”)
    Colossians 1:1-2
    This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and
    from our brother Timothy. 2 We are writing to God’s holy people in the city of Colosse,
    who are faithful brothers and sisters in Christ.
    Colossians 3:12-13
    Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts,
    kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13 bearing with one another and, if one has
    a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you
    also must forgive.
    1 Thessalonians 1:1
    This letter is from Paul, Silas, and Timothy. We are writing to the church in Thessalonica, to you who belong to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    ....continued...
    1 Thessalonians 1:4-5
    For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, 5 because our gospel
    came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with
    full conviction.
    1 Timothy 1:1
    This letter is from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus, appointed by the command of God
    our Savior and Christ Jesus, who gives us hope.
    2 Timothy 1:1
    This letter is from Paul, chosen by the will of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. I
    have been sent out to tell others about the life he has promised through faith in Christ
    Jesus.
    Titus 1:1-2
    This letter is from Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I have been sent
    to proclaim faith to those God has chosen and to teach them to know the truth that
    shows them how to live godly lives. 2 This truth gives them confidence that they have
    eternal life, which God—who does not lie—promised them before the world began.
    James 2:5
    Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be
    rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?
    1 Peter 1:1-2
    This letter is from Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to God’s chosen people
    who are living as foreigners in the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and
    Bithynia. 2 God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made
    you holy. As a result, you have obeyed him and have been cleansed by the blood of
    Jesus Christ.
    2 Peter 1:1-2
    This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to you
    who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the
    justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior. 2 May God give you more and
    more grace and peace as you grow in your knowledge of God and Jesus our Lord.
    1 Peter 2:4-5
    As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and
    precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to
    be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
    1 Peter 2:9
    But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own
    possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of
    darkness into his marvelous light.
    Jude 1:1
    This letter is from Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and a brother of James. I am writing to
    all who have been called by God the Father, who loves you and keeps you safe in the
    care of Jesus Christ.
    Revelation 17:14
    They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of
    lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”
    Romans 9:15-26
    For God said to Moses,
    “I will show mercy to anyone I choose,
    and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.”
    16So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.
    17 For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh, “I have appointed you for the very
    purpose of displaying my power in you and to spread my fame throughout the
    earth.” 18So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden
    the hearts of others so they refuse to listen.
    19 Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t
    they simply done what he makes them do?”
    20 No, don’t say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the
    thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like
    this?” 21 When a potter makes jars out of clay, doesn’t he have a right to use the same
    lump of clay to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into? 22
    In the
    same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very
    patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. 23 He does
    this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows
    mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory. 24And we are among those whom he
    selected, both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.
    25 Concerning the Gentiles, God says in the prophecy of Hosea,
    “Those who were not my people,
    I will now call my people.
    And I will love those
    whom I did not love before.”
    26And,
    “Then, at the place where they were told,
    ‘You are not my people,’
    there they will be called
    ‘children of the living God.’”
    Jesus words:
    John 6:36-40
    35 Jesus replied, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry
    again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But you haven’t believed in me
    even though you have seen me. 37 However, those the Father has given me will come to
    me, and I will never reject them. 38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of
    God who sent me, not to do my own will.39And this is the will of God, that I should not
    lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last
    day. 40 For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have
    eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”
     
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    Meaning exactly what?
     
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    Ephesians 1:4, ". . . he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, . . ."
     
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    God is not in time. His eternal desire is for His children to live godly lives. What is so difficult to understand
     
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    God is omnipresent, therefore in time too. Pslams 90:2, ". . . from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."
    Ephesians 1:4, ". . . he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, . . ." Before the creation of mankind.
     
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    Read the OP again
     
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    Ephesians 1:4, ". . . he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, . . ."
    1 Peter 1:2, ". . . Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, . . ."
     
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    You will find that in the Greek there is no word for "elect" in 1 Peter 1.2, this is a theological insertion
     
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    That word "elect" is in Peter 1:1-2 context. "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect . . . ."
     
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    You are missing what Peter is saying here. He is writing to the Jews of the Dispora, who became believers in Jesus Christ. This is nothing to do with the doctrine of election to salvation. Also check the word order in the Greek.

    " Πέτρος ἀπόστολος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐκλεκτοῖς παρεπιδήμοις διασπορᾶς Πόντου, Γαλατίας, Καππαδοκίας, Ἀσίας καὶ Βιθυνίας"
     
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    You have quoted a number of passages from the Old Testament. You do know that every though they were "elect" that God broke them off because of disobedience? So this must be true about the "elect" under the New Covenant
     
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    I agree.
    To me it's also understood here that Paul is telling them things that the Lord wants them to know...

    For example, why they believed on Christ and were sealed by the Spirit ( Ephesians 1:13-14 ), which is why they are being told the additional information about their being chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, predestinated to their adoption as children and so forth.
     
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