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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Thomas Helwys, Mar 22, 2013.

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  1. Herald

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    I am not sure of these statistics. I know quite a few dispensationalist pastors and seminary professors who think Christian Zionism is plain wrong and dangerous. I already granted you that dispensationalism, as a system, can go that route; I just happen to believe it is a small fraction of dispensationalists who buy into it. But time will tell whether it grows like kudzu across the dispensationalist landscape.
     
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  2. Thomas Helwys

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    Thank you for a succinct, civil answer.
     
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  3. Thomas Helwys

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    Well, that's just one of the "highly unusual" things about me. I guess I owe, or blame it on, my studies, at least partly. :)

    By the way, to clarify, I said I was merely "leaning" to an amillennial position. But I am definitely not dispensationalist or Covenant in theology.
     
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  4. Yeshua1

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    About as rare as finding one like myself who does hold to Dispy eschatology, yet also to the calvinistic Doctrines of grace!
     
    #64 Yeshua1, Mar 22, 2013
  5. webdog

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    I didn't link Obama and the antichrist, you did. They both want a peace treaty. Like I said, reading comprehension. Stop calling me a prophet, I never claimed to be one.
     
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  6. webdog

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    Thats false. Heirofsalvation supplied a quote almost a thousand years before then just recently. Also many quotes from the time between then and Darby.
     
    #66 webdog, Mar 22, 2013
  7. Thomas Helwys

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    I didn't say it. I took it from an article, the relevant part being: "Supersessionism is the belief that the New Covenant in Christ supersedes, or replaces, the Old Covenant with Israel. It comes in at least two forms: covenant theology and kingdom theology. It was the predominant teaching of the church until the rise of dispensationalism in the 19th century."

    Also, here is a link to an article on supersessionism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism

    The following is the last paragraph under the section, "Church Fathers":

    "Various forms of supersessionism have been the mainstream Christian interpretation of the New Testament since the inception of all three main historical traditions within Christianity — Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant."

    If anyone wants to believe in a doctrinal system that is just 200 years old, fine. But let's be historically accurate.
     
    #67 Thomas Helwys, Mar 22, 2013
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    "They both want a peace treaty."

    Who is "they both"?

    It's like I said, you're implying Obama is in kahoots with this fictional, imaginary character that you call Antichrist. Who is he? I'd really like to know.
     
    #68 kyredneck, Mar 22, 2013
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    ...and like I said, its dead wrong regardless who says it. It hasn't only been around for 200 years.
     
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    Unbelievable. BOTH OBAMA AND THE ANTICHRIST DESIRE A FICTIONAL PEACE TREATY. I said nothing about them partnering or anything remotely like it. Read what I write not what you want to hear!
     
    #70 webdog, Mar 22, 2013
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    Are you saying, "Stupid is as stupid does?"

    Mama?
     
    #71 percho, Mar 22, 2013
  12. Thomas Helwys

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    History disagrees. As a system, it began with John Nelson Darby.
     
    #72 Thomas Helwys, Mar 22, 2013
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    :laugh: Best post on this thread!
     
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    What did God mean when saying this, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:31 and quoted in Hebrews 8:8

    Also what happened to the house of Judah when you get to verse 33/10 respectively.

    Has that taken place? Been replaced by something different? Called by something different in the NT? Yet to come?
     
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    Unbelievable:

    Again webdog, who is this character you call AntiChrist?
     
    #75 kyredneck, Mar 22, 2013
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    We don't, and won't know. If you understand our beliefs like you say you would already know that
     
    #76 webdog, Mar 22, 2013
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    Tennessee Ernie Ford said his family lived so far out in the woods, that nobody lived behind them. :laugh:

    OK, back to the debate.
     
    #77 Winman, Mar 22, 2013
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    You talk as if he's already here; what is he, a spirit? A celestial being? Is he controlling Obama like a puppet?
     
    #78 kyredneck, Mar 22, 2013
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    Not wastng my time on one non seqitur after another.
     
    #79 webdog, Mar 22, 2013
  20. Thomas Helwys

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    :laugh:

    I just need to add that I do not discount the premillennial position. It was held by some in the early church, along with the amillennial. What I do disavow is the dispensational version of that, as it was a system created by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century and dishonors Jesus by making national Israel the focal point of history and regarding the church as a mere parenthesis.
     
    #80 Thomas Helwys, Mar 23, 2013
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