Evolutionism poor religion and junk science

Many people may well have found that evolutionism is an example of blind faith religion and junk science.

But I have a question for the group - is there any chance that your understanding of the vacuous nature of evolutionism as a religion might be diminished by the fact that so many new solar systems and planets are being found these days?

The Vatican has come up with a sort of "brother alien" line of thinking in some sort of effort to embrace both evolutionism and the existence of other solar systems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/world/europe/14iht-vat.4.12885393.html?_r=0

What say you?

in Christ,

Bob

 

Your lack of attention to detail - is nothing short of amazing (as usual). Perhaps your methods are too close to that of the promoters of evolutionism and this is causing you some discomfort on this thread.

The "missionary to the aliens" doctrine of the Vatican is not at all what we find in the Bible in Hebrews 1 as you seem to imagine it. (Or perhaps your lack of attention to "detail" did not allow you to read that part of the Bible regarding the subject you mention.)

And the Vatican has been promoting the "Brother Alien" idea (primarily via the Jesuits running their astronomy program") for decades. You focus on them is indeed helpful.

Fortunately for them - they now have a Jesuit in their oval office.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Evolutionism vs Science

When contrasting evolutionism to science we find that a huge gap where evolutionism is primarily "story-based" and science is "fact based".

The facts of science involved in the study of (Math or physics or Chemistry for example) are observable, repeatable, falsifiable and apparent to those who are not married to a religion of atheism. By contrast even atheist evolutionist scientists like Collin Patterson of the British Museum of Natural history are on record "lamenting" the many storied wax-nose nature of evolutionism. Patterson states that the stories of "how one thing came from another are stories easy enough to make up - but they are not science".

An example of such "story telling" can be found at the Smithsonian in the case of the fictitious "horse series" found to be fraudulent in the 1950's and yet retained on display and in science text books for decades due to its powerful storytelling effect.

Another such example is Osborn's "Nebraska Man" story held forth in a public debate (of sorts) published abroad in news papers around the time of the Scopes "monkey" trial. There the tooth of a Peccary was used as a stand in for all of "Nebraska man" - being all the "substance" that the story needed to be promoted as if undeniable indisputable "fact".

Another example of a truly fraudulent "story" held forth for decades "as facts" is the "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" story telling of Ernst Haeckel. Here it was claimed that humans go through stages during gestation that retells the story of various species as they evolved up their way to human. Turned out to be a story based on nothing more than creative wood carvings edited to make the story appear to be plausible.

When put on trial for his fraud - decades later - Haeckel admitted that he should feel just awful about the whole story telling bit - except that "everyone is doing it" to support evolutionism.

in Christ,

Bob

 

So then you did not read the link? really?

and then there is

Don't miss that last point - not only is this "we welcome the alien" and we seek to 'baptize them" idea an appeal to evolutionism-all-day-long, but as the Jesuit astronomer above notes - to accept either intelligent design or the Bible stand on creation instead of aliens-and-evolution would be "bad theology".

in Christ,

Bob

 

Anyone who watched the 2013 disclosure project at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.

http://press.org/events/citizen-hearing-disclosure-chd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZs9B5h2n5E

Here you may note the connection that is made between this subject and tossing Christianity out the window as little more than dark ages superstition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAtGG1Ekkf0

In any case regardless of the game they play - has anyone else noticed that the same RCC connection between evolutionism and aliens or at least planets in other solar systems is a common connection and theme?

in Christ,

Bob

 

I think we are supposed to be destracted by Targus' rant - but I prefer to stick with the topic at hand.

A statement was made that in 2000 around 30% of Americans thought there might be something to the evolutionists-alien stories.

By 2009 that number went to 80%.

The question that perhaps some (like Targus) try to ignore is what this pop-culture-idea of little green men in space ships does to the evolutionism vs creation debate.

(Note: I am not trying to equate this with Hebrews 1 or Job 1 the way that some (like perhaps Targus) might do in his efforts to ignore the details.)

in Christ,

Bob

 

You need to quote someone other than you.

Click on the links I posted.

Or look what National Geographic published on this subject.

Or listen to what the Vatican's own astronomers are saying - when I quote them for you.

Let actual "information" become part of your POV.

Less vacuous name-calling and more facts please.

Contribute to the topic with actual facts that apply to the OP.

Click a link and read.

http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/space/solar-system/life-beyond-earth/

Yet another link where the Vatican links evolutionism to life on other planets
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-566580/Heavens-God-created-life-planets-says-Vatican.html

But of course - Targus cliams that only BobRyan would possibly know that. How odd.



in Christ,

Bob

 

or

you can just have me post the link

http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/vatican-considers-life-on-other-planets

then read it for you

opportunity to get graduate degree from Penn State in astrobiology
http://php.scripts.psu.edu/dept/psarc/index.php?page=graduate-degree

 

The Bible says that other worlds exist -

Heb 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


And Job 1 states that other beings - other than humans "exist".

your wild claim above is that the Bible fact that these other worlds exist, and that these other beings exist is the SAME claim in support of blind faith evolutionism - as we actually SAW in the links from the Vatican sources and from other sources claiming that the popular - ufo-fiction is a claim for evolutionism.

Your smear of the Bible in that regard is questionable at best - and I think that would be held as obvious by baptist standards as well.

You cannot equate the two.

in Christ,

Bob