Evolutionists - Willingly Ignorant of the Truth

Not surprising as most persons on Planet Earth dispute Christianity -

Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Just because someone is convinced enough to become a Christian doesn't mean they have mastered christian doctrine. Any sound hermeneutical study of scripture leads to a literal reading of Genesis. It's a good thing we don't decide Bible doctrine based on the majority vote - as the majority of the world doesn't even believe in Jesus.

I have yet to see any Biblical debate regarding origins even come close to favoring anyting but a literal reading of Genesis. In fact, it is the evolutionist argument that the Bible is entirely silent regarding our origins and evolution - that is a de facto concession it seems.

It's really awkward when someone who is holding an ax says "what ax... I don't see an ax".

Clearly Genesis says that the earth was made in six days. Clearly, anyone can ad up the dates in the historical geneologies and get ~ 6000 years. Unless one dismisses these things as something other than literal history, there is no other possible explaination.

Add to this the fact that Jesus himself - as well as many prophets, apostles, etc all treat Genesis history as literal, and you have a complete picture which leaves ABSOLUTELY no room for any other interpretation.

You are - as 2Peter 3 says - willingly ignorant of the truth.

2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Those who do not take Noah's flood (or the other literal history of Genesis) literally are called "scoffers, walking after their own lusts". The Bible has used this description before:

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

I have just given you ample scripture that supports the idea that not taking Genesis creation literally leads to a loss of morality. But lets delve into an example - let's take homosexual marriage - this is currently a hot button issue.

Where is marriage ordained and instituted? Genesis 1 and 2.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Then Jesus quotes this passage as though it were a real, literal passage:

Mar 10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put [her] away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Why is marriage for 1 man and 1 woman for life? Jesus said the reason for that morality was the literalness of the creation of Adam and Eve - in that God created one man and one woman - not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The institution of marriage was created and ordained in the beginning of creation with Adam and Eve. If, however, there was no Adam and Eve - and God didn't create one man and one woman - if evolution is true - then there is no moral basis for homosexual marriage to be wrong.

In fact, the passage in Romans chapter 1 I gave you - which describes how a person who believes evolution (gives the creation credit for the Creator's work) - directly correlates a belief in natural history with severe immorality - including homosexuality:

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (Gup: sounds like an evolutionist/humanist to me)
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. (Gup: yet another reference to the literal history of Moses)

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Then you are willingly ignorant of the truth, as the Bible describes.

 

Biblical hermeneutics and the rules of Hebrew literature as well as contextual clues. Also, the application of these verses as literal by Jesus, the apostles, etc is further indication that a literal reading is the only appropriate one.

You have to read the passage in Luke 14:26 in the context of Jesus’ teachings. Jesus is talking about separating yourself from all worldly considerations to be his disciple. He said that you have to be willing to give up your family – even your own life – to follow him.

Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Moreover the word hate is the same word for hate used in Matthew 6:24:

Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

We can see, then, that the verse is not promoting hate in the sense of there being no love – but hate in the sense of authority and loyalty.

It’s good to see that you at least realize that “winged insects” is translated improperly, as the Hebrew word can mean animals, reptiles, or other creeping things. However, you should realize that there ARE in fact winged creatures that move about on all fours – such as the pterosaurs, which most scientists believe walked on all fours. Moreover, there are a host of flying lizards, flying squirrels, etc that probably qualify.

All movement must be described in relation to something else—a reference frame—and from a descriptive point of view, all reference frames are equally valid. The Bible writers used the earth as a convenient reference frame, as do modern astronomers talking about ‘sunset’; speed limit signs also depend on the earth as a reference frame.

Joshua’s command to the sun to stand still does not support geocentrism, i.e. the idea that the sun moves around the Earth. The Bible uses the language of appearance and observation.
Today people do exactly the same thing. For example, scientists who prepare weather reports for TV announce the times of ‘sunrise and sunset’. In fact, the mention of the moon also standing still seems to confirm both the divine authorship of the account and the fact that it is the Earth which moves. Since all Joshua needed was extra sunlight, and most ancients believed the sun moves, not the Earth, a human author of a fictitious account would only have needed to refer to the sun stopping.

Jos 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Notice the bold – in the sight of Israel. It gives us a descriptive point of view. Literally, it says in the sight of Israel, the sun stood still. The fact that the moon stayed is also an indication of frame of reference being from the point of view of a person on earth. Your assertions about geocentrism have always, and continue to lack any credibility.

Well you and I certainly agree that you are using modern humanistic ideas to re-interpret the Bible. However, I would not recommend this:
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Pro 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Moreover you are doing EXACTLY as the scripture warns no do:
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

You see, Genesis declares that we are created in the image of God. However, you are changing that image to look like a monkey, a bird, a four-footed beast or a creeping thing.

In fact, if you believe the Big Bang is true you have EXACTLY the same starlight time travel problem. Science tells us that the universe is roughly the same temperature throughout. There has not been nearly enough time – even assuming 14 billion years – for radiation to go from one side of our universe to the other – yet it is all at equilibrium temperature. Humphrey’s starlight time model is just as plausible as inflation theory. In fact, many secular scientists are starting to agree with him that the universe has a center and an edge. It has even been quipped that the “big bang” is the only explosion in history to not have a center and an edge.

Clearly, there is MORE THAN ENOUGH scientific data to support creation, otherwise the argument would have been over and done with 200 years ago. Yet creationism continues to be successful, and increase in success. With the event of the 400+ scientists signing the dissent to Darwinism we can see that ideas which more closely line up with a literal reading of scripture are making more sense to scientists than you guys think.

You guys are going to be left “holding the bag” pretty soon – being both on the outside of Christian faith, and the outside of science. You have already admitted that evolution is not found in scripture. You have already conceded that millions of years is an idea that is exterior to scripture. You have already admitted that you are using man’s fallible, ever changing science to re-interpret the scripture. It’s time you stopped all that non-sense, and participated in some sound reason. That sound reason is belief in the Bible as it is written. Do not add anything. When it says Israel saw the sun stop, don’t try to construe that to mean that the Bible is trying to say the sun rotates around the earth. Realize that the Bible said exactly what it meant – that from Israel’s perspective (the perspective of a person standing on earth) the sun stood still in the sky. God doesn’t need to explain how he did this – we just need to know what the witnesses saw, and believe that the Bible is true – therefore the historical account of this event is true.