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Fact Wreck: Fact-Checking the Fact-Checkers at First Debate

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Sep 26, 2016.

  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Oct 14, 2004
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    Fact Wreck: Fact-Checking the Fact-Checkers at First Debate

    9:58 p.m. EDT: Trump fact-checks Clinton when she claims crime is down in New York, including murder.

    Trump is right. Crime was down overall in New York last year, but murder, rape, and robbery were up, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    We don’t need no fact-checkers…

    9:49 p.m. EDT: Trump fact-checks the moderator.

    Holt: Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in New York…

    Trump: No, you’re wrong. It went before a judge, who was a very against-police judge. It was taken agway from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with the case.

    Fact Wreck rating: Trump is 100% right, according to the New York Times and Holt’s collusion with Clinton is becoming hard to ignore.

    9:47 p.m. EDT: The left’s pressure on moderator Lester Holt seems to have worked, as he raises the question of Trump’s tax returns (not yet disclosed) but says nothing about Clinton’s missing emails, leaving that to Trump to raise on his own.

    FactCheck.org does not bother to fact-check Hillary Clinton’s false rebuttal, that she made a “mistake” (which she originally claimed was a mistake of using only one phone, when she in fact had 13). Instead, the organization simply refers to a “guide” to Hillary’s emails.

    9:25 p.m. EDT: Hillary CLinton and Donald Trump both refer viewers to fact-checking services on their campaign websites.

    The media fact-checkers are about to go out of business.

    9:22 p.m. EDT: Hillary Clinton fact-checks Donald Trump, after he says that the supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership before she opposed it.

    Clinton: That is just not accurate. I was against it once it was finally negotiated…

    Trump: …You called it the gold standard of trade deals. You said it’s the finest deal you’d ever seen.”

    Clinton: No.

    Actually, she did. CNN (!) counted 45 times Clinton pushed the deal.
  2. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2004
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    The media coverage on the presidential contest seems to have come down to “fact-checking,” with The New York Times, The Washington Post and Politico each doing articles depicting Donald Trump’s lies on the campaign trail.

    This is dangerous territory for the profession, for as Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto opined on Twitter: ” ‘Fact checking’ is opinion journalism pretending to be some sort of heightened objectivity.”

    Why you ask? Because most “fact-checkers” are merely liberal journalists looking to prove their preconceived narrative. They cherry-pick the statements to “fact-check” and then decide which data to back it up with. Statistics can be manipulated — for every study coming out of the Brookings Institute, the Heritage Foundation can have a counter argument, depending on the methodology and surveys used. Moreover, much of what they decide to “fact-check” is subjective at best. Nothing that can be pinned down with undisputed data.

    In addition, many times politicians use hyperbole to extenuate a larger point — and many times these “fact-checkers” ignore the larger point to focus on the validity of the minutia. Here are the eight most outrageous “fact-checks” used against Mr. Trump in the last few weeks, that explain why the American public’s trust in the media is at an all-time low.

    Continue . . . http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/26/eight-examples-where-fact-checking-became-opinion-/