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Faith Received

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by preacher4truth, Jun 20, 2011.

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Faith Received

  1. I believe Gods Word that He granted My Faith.

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  2. I had my own faith, God didn't give it to me.

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  3. I have received everything from God, including salvation, but had my own faith.

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  4. God does not get the glory for giving me faith. I owned it inherently.

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  5. God not only granted me faith, He also granted me repentance, and salvation.

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  6. I repented and believed by my own power (faith) within myself, God did not give it me.

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  7. I praise God that He alone Granted All of it, and None of it was on my own.

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  8. It disturbs me that God grants faith to whom He Wills.

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  9. God knows best and knows to whom He should grant these things.

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  10. I simply trust God in this and in His Granting to Whom He wills to Do So

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  1. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    YOU are the one claiming God the bully, because of His Scriptural Sovereignty, not me. I can't help what Scripture manifestations of God cause you to think. That's all on you.

    God certainly allows Satan to give us bad thoughts. Who then is the Sovereign in control of it then? God, or Satan?

    The Bible is correct, nothing I stated is in correct, it is all Biblical. God is in total control and I trust Him and would never call Him a bully.

    And I'm not attributing sin to God. More words you try to put in my mouth. But I'm OK with that. This simply shows more of your not grasping Sovereignty. In your theology, you would say the same thing to Job, who said the things I said, "Shall we not receive good at the hand of God, and not also receive evil?" implying from God....but guess what friend, "there was no sin found in his lips" for doing so. But his friends judged him the same as you are judging me.

    Your remarks to demean me don't become you as a Christian.

    God bless you
     
    #104 preacher4truth, Jun 21, 2011
  5. JesusFan

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    Question that I had after reading all of this from DHK....

    God desires a relationship with His children, but didn't Jesus say the Devil as his own kids to?

    If God did reconcile all of us thru the Cross, why does satan have his kids still?

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    Why all of this anger towards even the hint of the idea that God just MIGHT have elected out of a reprobate race His own people for His glory?

    Almost like mad at God for daring to suggest such a thing!
     
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    Yes, but even the devil doesn't force all the unsaved. They have a free will. The only ones that don't are those that have deliberately become demon-possessed. They have given their wills and minds over to Satan. But that is not your average person is it?
    What does the Bible say about reconciliation?
    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5:19)
    --Did he or didn't he reconcile the world unto himself? What does the verse teach? The answer is given more clearly in verse 21:

    For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)
    --On the cross Christ was made sin. He took the penalty of the sin of the world upon himself. Why? That we, who believe, could be made the righteousness of God in him. It is the only way. But God is not finished with us yet.

    Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20)
    --God wants us to be reconciled to him, and he has given us a ministry of reconciliation as ambassadors of Christ to take the gospel to every creature that others also may be reconciled to him.

    Reconciliation can only happen when one believes on the finished work of Christ. Not all believe. Thus there remains many who are not children of God.

    JesusFan, Do you agree with this quote:
    Is every thought that you have put there by God. Is God that controlling?
    My response was such because I find that this view of God, in the light of Scripture, a heretical view of God. It makes God a bully, so powerful that every creature is simply a robot with no power even to think one thought. This is totally unbiblical; has no basis in Scripture whatsoever. Thus my reaction to the post, which I tried to refute with ample Scripture.
     
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  7. quantumfaith

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    Jesusfan,

    Now, what I know of you here, you are "fair, balanced and gentle" in spirit. SURELY you do not think that ANYONE around here is "mad at God".

    Now speaking for myself, (and possibly for some others). I try hard not to be overly critical about theological positions different than my own, what I admittedly "do do" is to be critical of what I feel unwarranted sarcastic snips, obviously then I respond sharply. ( I don't usually "feel good" about that.....well maybe just for the briefest of moments.)

    I say this to say (admit) there is always the possibility that I personally could have all things wrong theologically speaking. But for the moment, I am content and confident being in the class of Non-Cal (no name etc.)
     
    #107 quantumfaith, Jun 21, 2011
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