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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by steaver, Jan 21, 2008.

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  1. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
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    1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
     
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    So how is avoiding opposition to false science have anything to do with this? If you are anti-science, give up your automobile, your medical care, and all the other wonders modern science has given us.
     
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    FTR, I do believe that abortion is way too commonplace. I think late term abortion is a bad thing that should only be reserved for extreme cases, such as mental or physical well-being of the woman, to save her life, etc. That said, early term abortion and the use of Plan B should remain unrestricted.

    In order to reduce abortion, sex education should be mandatory and contraceptives readily available to all who want them. Sex education includes abstinence as part of the program, but also the use of contraceptives, how they work, and how to avoid getting pregnant if one does not remain abstinent.
     
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    THank you for the input Chessic. You see the very reason I was slow to give scripture and sure to only give one at a time. HP was not about to consider God's word on this matter.

    God's word does declare a child is conceived. That is clear as it gets. But God's word is not good enough here in this discussion.

    There are many scriptures yet to mention. But why bother? This thread is over ten pages and will be closed. It is sad that Christians must argue such a simple truth.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    Please do not joke about the butchery of children. It is not a source for amusement.

    The number of his posts had nothing to do with it. If he'd answered in your timetable, whatever that might be, it wouldn't matter if he posted once or five times.

    Whether the unborn child was fathered by a rapist or not does not invalidate the value of his life. He or she is still a human being created in God's image, and aborting him or her is still murder. For that reason, the pregnant young woman/child should go through 9 months of discomfort. Her life will go on either way; the baby's life will go on only if the mother is inconvenienced--assuming she has this attitude. This pregnancy could just as easily turn out to be a great blessing to her, her family, even the world--who knows what God will accomplish through this new person.

    When have I given my opinion and said it was Scripture? I maintain that Scripture speaks on the issues of abortion and the valid human worth of unborn children. And I presented some Scripture to back up that opinion. There is plenty more, as well. Nor do I expect "everyone to follow." I don't expect you to follow, nor am I leading. This position is the standard pro-life position of most conservative Christians including the SBC and other conservative branches of Baptists. I am not the originator of the pro-life position and do not lead it.

    You are using the long-standing tradition of renaming what you want to devalue, in this case what has been called a child through the entire course of the history of man into a zygote or blastocyst. Fetus still has some use for this, but its effect has been reduced somewhat with overuse.

    First, scientists and medical professionals are split on the issue of when life begins. Second, science doesn't understand gestation fully, much less consciousness, much less life.

    Between science and Scripture, we know that a child, at various times in his or her development inside his or her mother's womb has:

    human DNA
    a beating human heart
    measurably human brain waves
    emotions, including joy
    pain and reaction to it
    dreams
    the ability to move on its own
    memories
    thought
    fear
    contact with the Holy Spirit

    Scripture teaches that God himself knits us together in the womb, and each child is made in the very image of God. During the final trimester, the child is growing in size more than developing new parts. During the second trimester, the child has a human heart, human brainwaves, feels pain, and reacts to stimuli. At 18 days after conception, the human heart is beating.

    Please reconsider your position on this issue. God is busily at work inside a mother's womb, growing and fleshing out his most prized possession, that which He loves so much he could not let it die in sin; He had to go save it.
     
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    No!! They were the liberal party of the day, if i remember correctly.
     
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    Kind of hard to say that when the Democratic Party had nominated George McGovern for president just the year before.
     
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    The scriptures is loaded with the "person" status of the life God is knitting together in the womb beggining at conception, or zygote if you will.

    You will not find the word "abortion" in the bible, thus some will take the postion that therefor the bible is silent on the issue. This of course is a cop out for underlying motives to accept the lost world's push to be politically correct and follow their views of life, casting God out of the equasion.

    Exd 21:22¶If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].

    Exd 21:23And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

    This is clear as the nose on thy face. The woman miscarries in ANY form and the child is harmed unto death, it is life for life.

    There is no wiggle room, there is no silence from God's word on the matter. Abortion by definition is ending a life. Deal with it and repent my friends.

    God Bless! :praying:
     
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    Psa 139:13For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
    I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [and] wonderfully made: marvellous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well.

    My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, [and] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

    Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them.

    From zygote to birth!

    The scriptures are endless for declaring that a human life being begins at conception.

    God Bless! :praying:
     
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    You're twisting what I said. I simply said that we have legal abortion because of the decision of a heavily Republican Supreme Court. Look it up.
     
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    And once again, our buddy steaver uses loaded language...pro-murder?? Sheesh! And still, injecting opinion into scripture.
     
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    Murder (abortion) is in scripture and you have been clearly shown from scripture just what God says about zygotes.

    The word trinity is not found in the scriptures either. You do see the trinity though. You just have chosen to reject the obvious for some reason.

    God Bless! :praying:
     
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    You said......

    I said.....

    How do you come up with I "twisted" what you said? I all did was reply with my own opinion. You asked isn't it ironic? Why is ironic? What does a republican supreme court justice 40 years ago have to do with todays republican pro-life party 40 years later?

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    The Jewish leaders of Jesus' day did not like His loaded language either, I am in good company.

    1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    Woe, wait a minute John, aren't you loading the word hate there a bit harshly with murder there?

    Abortion is killing, killing innocent human life is murder. I will wear the badge of loaded language with honor for the sake of those little ones.

    God Bless! :wavey:
     
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