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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, May 1, 2021.

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  1. MB

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    You wish that were true but it isn't. I have the whole of scripture to prove you are wrong. You don't have the Bible to prove the nonsense of Calvinism. Everything you try to prove disproves your ideas all together. Your so blind you can't see it.I believe they call it "full of yourself.

    I just did he taught twisted scripture and you do the same. None of the tulip is in scripture. You just imagine it. He changed the true meaning of scripture with his speaking you do the same. Sure your doctrines aren't the same but like him you do exactly the same thing. You invent what isn't in scripture so did he. You have no truth in what you claim simply it's not in scripture. It's the same with Russell. I know you don't understand Like the word Faith in Eph 2"8 You refuse to acknowledge the Faith that Grace comes through. Faith has to be in man before grace can come to the man. You see it backwards like you are dyslexic. Faith comes by hearing. It is not magically bestowed on . You have to llist to the Word of God. You do not do that you listen to men not God.
    You seem to claim scripture isn't saying what it clearly says.
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    I still don't see you showing how my theology is just like Charles Taze Russell's. That was your assertion. It's best you simply admit you are wrong rather than avoid your false assertion.
     
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    MB[/QUOTE]
    JW's twist the scriptures just as you do. JW's ignore the scriptures that prove them wrong. They make false excuses and claim the Bible is wrong just as you do. You do this when you read Eph 2:8-9.and Jn 3:16 You make false statments about those who disagree with you.
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    "pastor" Russell affirmed particular Calvinism?
     
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    JW's twist the scriptures just as you do. JW's ignore the scriptures that prove them wrong. They make false excuses and claim the Bible is wrong just as you do. You do this when you read Eph 2:8-9.and Jn 3:16 You make false statments about those who disagree with you.
    MB[/QUOTE]
    You say that due to your misunderstanding of Sotierology proper!
     
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    You say that due to your misunderstanding of Sotierology proper![/QUOTE]
    I do not misunderstand. any Part of Calvinism. You do not have truth when you quote Eph,2:8-9 and then claim you are saved by Grace with no faith. As in Jn 3 :16 you claim the world means the world of Calvinist. Scripture never says this at all so you add it in just to avoid the real truth. This is dishonest.
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    JW's twist the scriptures just as you do. JW's ignore the scriptures that prove them wrong. They make false excuses and claim the Bible is wrong just as you do. You do this when you read Eph 2:8-9.and Jn 3:16 You make false statments about those who disagree with you.
    MB[/QUOTE]Again, you provide an imaginary claim without any substance. Show us exactly what Charles Taze Russell taught and how I teach the same thing. If you cannot, then retract your claim, say you were wrong and apologize for your false claim.
     
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    I do not misunderstand. any Part of Calvinism. You do not have truth when you quote Eph,2:8-9 and then claim you are saved by Grace with no faith. As in Jn 3 :16 you claim the world means the world of Calvinist. Scripture never says this at all so you add it in just to avoid the real truth. This is dishonest.
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    I claim am saved by grace alone thru faith alone, but I could not have faith in Jesus until the Holy Spirit granted me to do such!
     
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    A false accusation from a closed thread.
     
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    Nope. A true statement that you refuse to acknowledge.
     
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    You do not have truth when you quote Eph,2:8-9 and then claim you are saved by Grace with no faith. As in Jn 3 :16 you claim the world means the world of Calvinist. Scripture never says this at all so you add it in just to avoid the real truth. This is dishonest.
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    [QUOTE="Yeshua1, post: 2702410, member: 11334"I
    I claim am saved by grace alone thru faith alone, but I could not have faith in Jesus until the Holy Spirit granted me to do such!
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    The Holy Spirit does not regenerate it is the Lord Jesus who give us a new heart. You do not believe that grace comes through faith. You believe you are saved in order to have faith.
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    The Holy Spirit does not regenerate it is the Lord Jesus who give us a new heart. You do not believe that grace comes through faith. You believe you are saved in order to have faith.
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    We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit in order to be able to receive Jesus as lord thru faith!
     
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    No. I had stated a Biblical truth.

    "Names in the book does not in and of itself insure one's name will not be blotted out, Psalms 69:27-28. Unless one is born of God, 1 John 5:4-5, Revelation 3:5."
     
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    Honestly, your references show how badly you mangle God's word. You have created a false doctrine out of verses where you ignore context and poetic language. Let the readers decide.

    Psalm 69:23-28
    Let their eyes be darkened, so that they cannot see, and make their loins tremble continually. Pour out your indignation upon them, and let your burning anger overtake them. May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom you have struck down, and they recount the pain of those you have wounded. Add to them punishment upon punishment; may they have no acquittal from you. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous.

    1 John 5:1-12
    Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

    Revelation 3:1-6
    “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you. Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
     
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    Yep, its time
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