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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Brother Adam, Jan 28, 2004.

  1. Brother Adam

    Brother Adam New Member

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    Believe me Diane,

    I'm not bitter towards anyone, yes my first post was in anger, and I should have thought more about it before I wrote it. I've asked a moderator several times to delete it, but alas, they refuse.

    Under my first supervisor I excelled a great deal- everyone did. Which leads me to believe it is the supervisor that can make or break a team.

    And I'm not the only one that is upset- I think under these hostile working conditions its justified to be upset, most of us are, I just happened to be the unlucky one to be singled out. I'm going to speak with the director of HR today, and hope and pray that things will be better for future employees.

    You know, all we have asked for is a simple thank you from our supervisors for a job well done. You know, to stand near as we are punching out after a long hard day and for them to say "thanks" or "thank you", but all we ever get is critisism.

    Finally when I say I should be on discipline, you would have to understand the whole situation to grasp where I'm coming from.

    I will dearly miss the folks I work with. I always walk into the job with a great attitude, and even the past weeks have done so, but unfortunately the past weeks I end up leaving upset- which in itself isn't sinful.
     
  2. Brother Adam

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    I did want to add that there are some very genuine Christians who work for the company. I'm aware of one person who has worked there for over ten years that is the sweetest lady I've ever met and does what she can to help employees.

    But thank you for your words moeowo.
     
  3. moeowo

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    I agree there are Christians (many of then) that work for the company but calling it a Christian company to me is a bit of a stretch. I think some of the higher up's have forgotten what being Christ-like is.


    I did want to add that there are some very genuine Christians who work for the company. I'm aware of one person who has worked there for over ten years that is the sweetest lady I've ever met and does what she can to help employees.

    But thank you for your words moeowo.
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  4. dianetavegia

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    One of our sons got a C in a middle school class and was very upset. We were good friends and socialized with his teacher so I went in and asked Glenn about the grade. He told me that if he asked a student to go upstairs and make his bed, and he did, that was a C. If that student went upstairs, made his bed and picked up his clothes, that was a B. It a student went upstairs and made his bed, folded and put away his clothes, emptied the trash and swept the floor he'd get an A. C was for doing only what was asked of you. A grade of B or even A called for MORE.

    Your paycheck is your thanks for doing what is expected of your job title. I work odd days here and there at a store in the next town. In fact, I'm here today. I get $50. for 8 1/2 hours with no benefits of any sort. I clean out his stove (Corn Burning Stove), empty the trash, vacuum the floor, straighten brochures, etc. while I am only supposed to answer the phone and be here if anyone were to want to see a stove. The owner always notices the extra I've done and thanks me for it.

    Why not try doing MORE than is expected of you but begin searching for a new job at the same time? There might be a lot of $6.00 an hour jobs out there but you cannot support a family on that.

    Diane
     
  5. Thankful

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    I agree, Diane.

    Wish you were near when I had a shop. I couldn't get workers to do things they were supposed to do.....never any extra.

    Good advice, Adam.
     
  6. gb93433

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    In all walks of life there are crooks and there are godly men and women. I have worked for both who call themselves Christians. Just because someone calls themself a Chrisitan does not mean they are obedient Christians.

    Whatever you do make sure that your work is to the glory of God. Even good people get fired. I was fired after turning a branch around of the largest company of its kind in the US. The company was sold and they saw fit to get rid of all the top people who were also the top producers. It was about dollars in the short run. But they have lost their customers in the long run. Their product does not compare to what it once was. The employees are paid less than those who were once there.

    We sse this all the time in every area of life. It happens in churches and businesses. It happens to opastors and laymen. I have seen churches that are crooked too. I have seen unbiblical and demonic activity in a church I pastored.

    But we live for the eternal reward and not the temporary benefits. Yes the temporal benefits are nice but the eternal rewards are much greater.

    Keep living for Jesus. Keep your eyes on Him.

    James 1:2-5, "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives to all men generously and without reproaching, and it will be given him."
     
  7. Baptist in Richmond

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    :eek: :eek: :eek:

    COBRA is EXTREMELY expensive.
     
  8. Baptist in Richmond

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    Wow, they are open on Sundays? Here in Richmond they are not open on Sundays. Believe it or not, we have a grocery store chain that is not open on Sundays.
     
  9. dianetavegia

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    We have a lot of smaller stores and barbers who close on Wednesday's with signs saying 'See you in Church'! Yep.... just recently have they decided to be open on Sunday. There was a thread here a few months ago with links to articles. I also heard they would be carrying children's literature which would include non-Christian fiction. (I was told, Harry Potter, but that is word of mouth with no verification.)

    I shop at Lifeway. The manager is in our choir and his wife and I work VBS together. GREAT Christian family! Wonderful people! Our Hispanic minister's wife works for them in the store.

    Diane
     
  10. Ben W

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    If we are upset at the shops being open on Sundays, then I guess we all know how the Jews and the SDA and other people feel about the same stores being open on the Sabbath. ;)

    Ultimatley most stores are there to make money, Christian bookstores are there to make profits, not as a service to Christians. Zondervan Publising is owned by Rupert Murdoch and is a profit driven company. Yet the saddest part of it all is exactly how many churches are exactly the same, simply there to make money and emulate Capitalism?
     
  11. Precepts

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    He's perfectly entitled to his opinion. His desire is to leave this company. He is disgruntled and not performing to expectations. He is not in the position to do anything more than quit. His company is in the position to terminate his employment. He is bringing railing accustaion against this company. This company should know his intention. He is taking the proper action by giving his notice. The company has no obligation to grant him that terms of separation and could veery easily fire him because of previous circumstance. He should not remain in what he feels is an abusive situation and to do so is his own fault, not the compnay he is working for.

    Adam, before you get a job at Wal-Mart, do a little search on those disgruntled employees and see if you might align with them. I do know of one man who used to work for Wal-Mart. When they fired him for the same type of attitude you're portraying, he actually said a word that I look at as a curse word: "You ...!" They promptly asked him to leave and were calling the police to escort him out if so needed. Is this what you want your situation to come to? I hope not.
     
  12. AdoptedDaughter

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  13. Brother Adam

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    Yes, I have given my notice, and by the grace of God already prospective interviews lined up. I had a nice chat with the director of Human Resources, who has been with the company for 25 years. She seemed to understand my plight, but noted that at the company the "wheels of change turn very slowly". After discussing my resignation we both agreed that hopefully the issues I have boldly brought up will bring about some positive change for future workers.

    I think anyone who feels an employer should not say "thank you" to their employees would be in an extreme minority. One co-worker shared with me that in a previous factory job he was a manager and was in a conference with several other companies about employee relations. One company was far above the rest when it came to happy employees- the key to it was a simple thank you. They didn't give a bonus, or extra perks or benefits. Just "thank you". Its free, it makes your employee feel needed, makes them want to work harder, and helps them excel. If your a manager I strongly suggest you try it some time. Just say "hey- thanks for your hard work today".

    That little word goes a long way.
     
  14. mark brandwein

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    Adam, Bill is right! COBRA will take almost any policy if not all. There are other options. [​IMG]
     
  15. Precepts

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    Yep, Adam, there are many people this day and time that feel a paycheck isn't thanks enough. They are so immature they need a "Thank you" daily to keep them performing their expected tasks.

    What we have all witnessed here is your effort to defame Family Christian and the human resource rep did his duty to brush you off.

    Remember to be angry and sin not. Just leave your position quietly and quit practicng politics in the workplace.

    You don't have the "right" to be employed, but you have the opportunity to work in an environment to be paid wages. If you don't like the environment, leave, but don't cast your filth back at the hand that fed you.

    I left many a position, some good ones too, because of my attitude, just don't keep making the same mistakes.

    Not happy with your present job? Get self employed, hire your own employees and learn how it is to deal with people like you, put the shoe on the other foot.

    I am a self employed plumber in new construction. I perform 95% of the entire business, so don't keep whining, I'm not complaining, everything I own is paid for free and clear except what "uncle sammy" says I owe. ;)
     
  16. Brother Adam

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    Hi QS, I really think that its too bad you don't think people should be treated with common decency and should be discriminated against. I don't really care what you think about me. You can call me an a*****e and say I have a horrible attitude, and that's okay by me- with how you feel employees should be treated, I think its a great thing you don't like me.

    I will continue to stand by what I said and continue to believe that the world will be a better place and businesses will continue to excel when they treat employees with a bare min. of ethical standards.

    oh- and FYI- I've been in a supervisory position. And I always thanked my subordinates for a job well done. When they work hard, the business does better.

    Have a great day [​IMG]

    [ February 03, 2004, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: Brother Adam ]
     
  17. dianetavegia

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    Bro. Adam, there is still time for you to edit your response and remove that cuss word. Please do so right away or I'll ask an administrator to edit your reply for you. NO ONE called you that name. YOU used it in anger.

    Diane
     
  18. Brother Adam

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    Oops! I do apologize- I thought that there was censor software on this board.

    It wasn't said in anger though. That is how QS's attitude comes across, as in, what he thinks of me. I don't get angry with anything on this board, its not worth it. I see more personal attacks here though than any other board I've ever visited. kindof sad huh? That's why I don't post here much.
     
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