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FBI’s Trump-Russia probe knocks White House on its heels

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Crabtownboy, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. FollowTheWay

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    There was always another approach to changing the law on abortion.
    Compared top Trump a VERY FEW. trump just says whatever comes into his head and makes accusations that have absolutely no evidence for them at all. A good example was his statement that he had the largest electoral victory ever. Donald Trump makes huge false claim in first solo press conference as President.

    Another discussion about Trump lies: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/opinion/all-the-presidents-lies.html?_r=0.
     
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    Right but what are your preferred candidates doing about the holocaust on our unborn? you can criticize Trump, but he's done more to save lives in 3 months than most will in their lifetimes by appointing a constitutional SCJ.

    If you are pro life, where is the fruit of this belief in your political participation. Do you support anyone that is against our current holocaust?
     
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    Trump hasn't done anything yet except conspire with our enemies to rig the election, compulsively lie all the time about almost anything, try to murder 24M people by taking away their healthcare as well as try to start the dismantling of Medicare and medicaid. What did you do to stop the murder of hundreds of thousands in Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq in meaningless American wars of aggression?
     
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    you keep dodging the question. why do you have so little regard for the holocaust of the unborn. you claim you care about people being sick and think socialized medicine is the answers (no evidence at all), but you can care less about the actual murder of millions. Where is your compassion? how can you just turn your back and support murderers like Carter Clinton and Obama?
     
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    Some are saying? Well that is worthy of news.....NOT. Some unknowns are speculating a history that has not occurred, (as a fact) .... and the same who think this is NEWS, whine when their FAKE NEWS is exposed as FAKE NEWS. Laughable. :)
     
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    Be patient,
    Conspire with our enemies? What specifically?
    Lie all the time? What specifically?
    Murder 24 people? How specifically?

    Medicare / Medicaid is a tangled web of an unconstitutional cancer.

    Stop the murder of hundreds of thousands in Viet Nam?

    Killing during war is not murder.
     
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    The FBI has stated that there is "more than circumstantial evidence" that Trump and his organization conspired with Russia to affect the election. read the real news instead of Breitbart propaganda. Lie all the time? That's simply a fact. I'll provide examples later. As a result of the GOP effort to repeal Obamacare 24M people will lose health insurance. try it yourself. Have you ever been without insurance? A million Vietnamese were killed in the Viet Nam war. For what? Ho Che Min was actually a Vietynamese nationalist not a communist. He reached out to America but we blocked a democratic election and he then turned to the communists. Medicare is THE HEALTH CARE INSURANCE for almost all retiring Baby Boomers including me. I worked for AT&T for 38 years but what I got was Medicare for retirement medical. Oppose that and you oppose medical care for America's senior citizens. Medicaid saved the life of my aunt who taught the deaq for 30 years. Go ahead, op[pose these. What would Jesus say? Take that up with HIM at the final judgment. Good luck. You'll need it.
     
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    What FBI agent claimed this?
    What circumstances?
    What Trump organization?

    Speculation is not facts.

    And BTW, people running for office absolutely do speak in an attempt to foster a vote for themselves, which BTW is an attempt to affect an election. It's called campaigning. So what?

    Here's a fact;

    Oct 20, 2016 - In Ohio, Trump told supporters that "the bottom line is we're going to win."

    Here's another fact;

    You just claimed Trump "lies all the time".

    Here's another fact;

    Trump won <--- past tense of win.

    Here's another fact:

    You just claimed something that is FALSE!

    Here's another fact;

    Making false claims is lying.

    Nothing more amusing then hearing a false accuser wag their finger claiming others lie!

    Lose it. Why? If it is important to them to have health insurance, they have every option to go purchase it like everyone else who wants it.

    Yes, for years and years. My choice to not purchase it.

    For the same reason many were killed before the Viet Nam conflict.

    Talking points fail you and does your historical knowledge of Nguyễn Sinh Cung,

    Yes, Right after you sign up for it.

    Nonsense! Being a senior citizen does not prohibit you from purchasing any insurance you desire.

    God saves lives.

    What scripture taught men to know ~

    Acts.13
    1. [23] Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

    Matt.6
    1. [25] Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
     
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    Remember when the President said he wasn’t going to take a salary? He just accepted his second paycheck.

    Remember when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall? He has said he will ask Congress for taxpayer money to cover costs.

    Remember when he criticized Obama for going on vacation and/or playing golf? Trump goes to Mar-a-Lago most weekends and he's gone golfing 12 times in the 9 weeks he's been President.

    Remember when he said he was going to use American steel to build the XL pipeline? For the most part American steel is not being used.

    Remember when he said that nobody on his campaign had any communications with the Russian government? Several of his people have now admitted they spoke and/or met with Russian officials, after they lied and got caught.

    Remember when he said he was going to divest from his businesses? Hasn't done so. Still reads business reports from his companies.

    Remember when he said he was going to release his tax returns? Hasn't done so because he's being audited AND he's being audited because, as he said, "I'm such a strong Christian."

    Remember when he said he was going to drain the swamp of elites and Washington insiders? His cabinet is filled with lobbyists, oil and Wall Street executives.

    Remember when he said he had a secret plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days and would implement it on Day One of his presidency? He doesn't have a plan, or hasn't defeated ISIS, take your pick.

    Remember when he said that the Obamacare replacement would cover more people at lower cost? The AHCA was pulled without a vote.
     
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    You have got to be kidding!

    Ho Chi Minh (correct spelling) while in France was already delivering speeches on the prospects of Bolshevism in Asia and was attempting to persuade French Socialists to join Vladimir Lenin's Third Communist International and was a founding member of the Parti Communiste Français (FCP).

    Ho Chi Minh left Paris for Moscow where he was employed by the Comintern (The Communist International, abbreviated as Comintern and also known as the Third International was an international communist organization that advocated world communism), studied at the Communist University of the Toilers of the East and participated in the Fifth Comintern Congress in June 1924. He then went to China where he taught at the Communist Whampoa Military Academy.

    He then went to Bangkok, Thailand (via Moscow, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Switzerland, and Italy), arriving in July 1928 where he served as a senior agent undertaking Comintern activities in Southeast Asia.

    He remained in Thailand until late 1929 when he moved on to India, then Shanghai. In early 1930, in Hong Kong, he chaired a meeting with representatives from two Vietnamese communist parties in order to merge them into a unified organization, the Communist Party of Vietnam.

    In 1938 he returned to China and served as an advisor to the Chinese Communist armed forces, which later forced China's government into exile on Taiwan. He was jailed in China by Chiang Kai-shek's local authorities before being rescued by Chinese Communists.

    I mean, come on! Ho not a communist? What planet are you living on?
     
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    Following MSNBC's report over questions about whether President Donald Trump has donated his paycheck, Press Secretary Sean Spicer said during a White House briefing Monday, "the president's intention right now is to donate his salary at the end of the year."

    Yes. Waiting for Congress to reduce foreign aid payments to Mexico and tax money transfers to that country.

    Stays in his own property and golfs on his own golf course, free of charge, of course.
    Sez who?
    Nobody, to his knowledge, and the FBI investigation has confirmed that he had no contact with foreign agents.
    He did. His kids run it all now.

    He didn't have to. Rachel Maddow did it for him. And proved he pays more in taxes, as a percentage, than she does! And he as been audited every year for the past 15 years and the IRS has never found a discrepancy. (With $1000 per hour accountants you expect everything to be right.)
    His cabinet is not the problem. It is the leftists and the Rinos.
    How do you know the plan is not already in progress? Only an idiot tells the enemy his plans.

    Yeah. The Rino Ryan playing his idiotic politics again.
     
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    He also said he was going to release his tax returns, then changed his mind. We'll see on this issue.

    Yes, and how is that legislation coming? Oh? It hasn't been introduced yet? What happened to "On Day One I'm going to...."?

    Costs $2 Million to $3 million in taxpayer money to get him down there and protect him while he's there. Besides Trump constantly criticized Obama for going golfing instead of staying at the White House, it wasn't about the money. Other than that...

    Donald Trump.

    I see. So ISIS is a formidable enemy that can stop us if they only knew our plan. Is that it? So George Bush Sr. was an idiot for telling Saddam Hussein he had until January 20, 1991 to get out of Kuwait or we'd kick him out? George W. Bush was an idiot for announcing he would find the terrorist camps in Afghanistan and destroy them and that Osama bin Laden was a wanted man, dead or alive?

    The Ryan plan that Trump said was "beautiful" and that "he was behind it 100%."
     
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    Rachel Maddow already did, remember?

    Ask Paul Ryan.

    So? It costs that no matter where he is.

    Quote?

    He stated the goal, not the details of the plan.

    He stated the goal, not the plan.

    Yeah, that even Ryan couldn't get enough votes to pass.
     
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    Not true at all.

    1. It costs about $200,000 an hour to fly Air Force One.
    2. Lots of extra DEA men/women on duty and lots of overtime.
    3. Costs the state and local areas tons for the police, overtime, and others. The Palm Beach police chief says it costs them $60,000 in overtime pay for every day Trump is there.
    4. New York has to spend $500,000 a day extra to protect Trump Towers.
    5. Costs local economies because
    • Airport has to be closed. No flights in or out. No landing fees collected.
    • No sales in airport shops
    • No business operations on the route to and from his palace
    I did a quick search and found the above. An in-depth search would turn up other costs.
     
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    Then it's funny that Jared Kushner is going to testify today before Congress on contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian government officials.
     
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    Are you under the impression that "the Trump campaign" and "President Trump" are the same thing?
     
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    Strawman.

    Remember when I wrote this, about 3 hours ago?:

    Remember when he said that nobody on his campaign had any communications with the Russian government? Several of his people have now admitted they spoke and/or met with Russian officials, after they lied and got caught.

    So, no, I don't think President Trump and his campaign are the same thing. I said that Trump claimed his campaign had no communication with Russian government officials.

    Your avoidance of addressing the issue of the fact that Kushner is testifying before Congress about Trump campaign connections to Russians is noted.
     
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    No, it doesn't. The pilots and attendants get paid regardless if they are flying. And Air Force One is maintained regardless of whether or not it flies.

    Jet fuel costs about $12,000 per flight hour. Florida is less than 2 hours from DC.

    DEA? Why? USSS, yes, but they are being paid anyway. Maybe some overtime but good planning can minimize that.
    Just like they had to spend similar amounts to protect the Clinton's home, Bush's ranch, etc., etc.

    You gotta stop getting your information from WWW.FAKENEWS.COM!
     
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    Quote? (From someone other than MSNBC or MoveOn.org?)
     
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    I'm certain you know how to use Google.
     
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